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[paxtoysoldier]

Even from the msm reports from Gaza, there still seems to be the majority of buildings standing, and Israel has done it's best to limit civilian casualties, though as to how far you can consider any of the people there civilians is debatable, as to the condition of those buildings pre-war to now, to anyone who has travelled in the Middle East, there is often not much difference on the outside of buildings and we would consider them to look like slums, but inside tells a whole different story.
Also remember the billions upon billions given to the UN for Gaza and a lot may not have changed as example, with having running drinking water available for it's people, and I'm not seeing famine in the faces of the people. as there is real famine right now in Sudan, what I am seeing is double chins and fat bellies despite msm claiming otherwise and being bombared with charity adverts for Gaza, it doesn't seem to have been high up on the agenda for Hamas, unless it was for their own quarters, since the pipes,and the billions of dollars spent by UN and EU laying drinking water pipes, only for them to be dug up almost immediately for use in the manufacture of Rockets.
Anyway to get to the point, by this I mean, judging the living conditions in Gaza, by comparing them with our own, just doesn't work, since pre-war living conditions in Gaza for many people there wouldn't be comparable to probably everyone on this forum, since we live in cultures very different and so, I'm sure there are still many targets, not gone after as of yet, that could be.

Doubtless there are still terrorist targets. Usually hiding among civilians.
I respect your point of view friend, but I'm not 100% sure you're right.
But I don't know quite enough about the complex situation, and we all have a right to an opinion.
Best Wishes from Across the Wide Sea and Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!
Paddy

 

[Horus]

I have to agree with Brad: it's bravado to think a new admin. could change things significantly. Now maybe a new admin. in Israel...
God Save Israel
Paddy

I think having Trump in the White house will make a difference in making of a peace deal, as the Gazans will know that they had a much better chance of getting an advantage with Biden. However with their culture it will still be a very bitter pill to swallow even when given the chance of a way out, simply, because they have a less pragmatic look on life and way of acceptance of facts, being that they must always be thought of as not surrendering.

 

[Horus]

Doubtless there are still terrorist targets. Usually hiding among civilians.
I respect your point of view friend, but I'm not 100% sure you're right.
But I don't know quite enough about the complex situation, and we all have a right to an opinion.
Best Wishes from Across the Wide Sea and Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!
Paddy

Thanks Paddy and all the best to you and your family for a Happy Christmas and New year too.

No, I sure I'm not 100% right, with the quagmire of centuries of killings and the going back in the tides of first one than another side having the upper hand, I don't think a lasting peace is ever going to be possible. All one can do is hope some solution can be found for a peace that might last past the weekend, but it's doubtful, they've tried the two state solution, and still the Gazans and those on the West Bank weren't peaceful for long, soon as they could they started attacks on Israel sponsored in part it would seem by UNWRA. No the UN have got a lot to answer for.

 

[paxtoysoldier]

Although we don't agree about who should lead the USA, I agree with your views regarding Israel. Too many anti-sematic protesters who don't see the big picture. Too many don't see Israel's plight. Too many people don't care about women & children. Maybe Trump will make a difference. Let's hope.

 

[Combat]

Great to hear Trump’s words about the remaining Israeli histages in Gaza.

In response to hearing confirmation via Israel Defense Forces that New Yorker Omer Neutra, 21, was killed by Hamas during the Oct. 7, 2023, terrorist attack on Israel.

Trump warned Monday there will be “all hell to pay” in the Middle East if Hamas does not release every one of the remaining hostages in Gaza before his inauguration next month.

Yes, it is refreshing to see leadership by strength rather than weakness and appeasement. Most of the hostages are likely dead at this point, but if there are any to be saved, Trump is more likely to get it done. You don't have to go down into the tunnels to do this. Hamas has tentacles to Iran. You squeeze them at that source and those hostages will be released. Once every high-ranking Iranian is living in a bunker waiting for the next drone strike, the deal will be done fast.

 

[tdubel]

Gaza should be a parking lot imo. Ever heard of the Webster definition of insanity. That is what dealing with the Palestinians has become. Why does anyone think it will be different this time. Well one fact is Trump wouldn’t unfreeze Iranian funds, Biden did and then October 7th occurred. So for me, I will take Trump any day on this issue. The removal of Hamas permanently is the only viable solution to guarantee Israel’s safety.

 

[Horus]

Keep trying to add links, but keep being blocked !

 

[Horus]

Interesting video on YouTube: Qatar's War against Israel & the US (Dominating the media and academia with oil money)

 

[Horus]

 

[Horus]

 

[Panzer ace]

I hope that Trump’s threats ring true and the rest of the hostages are released soon.

 

[Panzer ace]

Israel showed a massive amount of patience when it agreed to the January ceasefire.

Hamas, as usual, did not hold up its end of the bargain.

Now the world is decrying the latest IDF offensive.

I hope Trump follows through on his promise of punishing Hamas for failing to follow through on its agreements.

 

[tdubel]

Israel showed a massive amount of patience when it agreed to the January ceasefire.

Hamas, as usual, did not hold up its end of the bargain.

Now the world is decrying the latest IDF offensive.

I hope Trump follows through on his promise of punishing Hamas for failing to follow through on its agreements.

Parking lot would be the highest and best use for that craphole. Just think about the terrorist per square foot..............
TD

 

[Panzer ace]

I’ll add this to my Trump letdowns.

That list is getting pretty long just 4 months in.

The tariffs should have taken a backseat to the innocent hostages and his promised peace plan.

 

[Silkwraith]

Do you honestly believe that MOSSAD did not know what HAMAS was planning ? Do you honestly believe that MOSSAD did not notice the build up ....just a few miles away from the Gaza Wall ? Really guys ? Of course they knew and they wanted it to happen, they wanted a good excuse to take over Gaza. THAT WAS THE MISSION.

This is ALL ABOUT THE LAND....ABOUT TAKING OVER GAZA. Nothing else. That coastline is incredibly beautiful and markedly some of the best land in the middle east.

I have great admiration for the Israeli people and how they survived throughout the years. I also understand the frustration of the Israeli people with the outrageous fundamentalism there is from both sides. YES ...from both sides.

The people know that the only way how Israel can survive in peace is to eliminate fanaticism, TO ELIMINATE RADICALSM. Because of Netanyahu and his hidden personal agendas, and most probably family business interests, he radicalised the next generations who has seen their parents, brothers and sisters getting killed. We are not talking about a few hundred. Lets put everything in perspective ...we are talking about nearly 50,000 civilians killed. CIVILIANS.

The future does not bode well ....my only hope is that we wont go back to the 70s ...lest we forget.

And by the way, for those who do not know ...HAMAS was originally a MOSSAD idea. It was created to split the PLO and bring down Yasser Arafat. Initially it was funded by Israel Secret Service.

 

[Silkwraith]

Yes, it is refreshing to see leadership by strength rather than weakness and appeasement. Most of the hostages are likely dead at this point, but if there are any to be saved, Trump is more likely to get it done. You don't have to go down into the tunnels to do this. Hamas has tentacles to Iran. You squeeze them at that source and those hostages will be released. Once every high-ranking Iranian is living in a bunker waiting for the next drone strike, the deal will be done fast.

Trump should stick with doing politics and not meddle in such affairs ....if he truly believes in America First.

 

[Silkwraith]

Thanks Paddy and all the best to you and your family for a Happy Christmas and New year too.

No, I sure I'm not 100% right, with the quagmire of centuries of killings and the going back in the tides of first one than another side having the upper hand, I don't think a lasting peace is ever going to be possible. All one can do is hope some solution can be found for a peace that might last past the weekend, but it's doubtful, they've tried the two state solution, and still the Gazans and those on the West Bank weren't peaceful for long, soon as they could they started attacks on Israel sponsored in part it would seem by UNWRA. No the UN have got a lot to answer for.

The only way this war can ever come to a stop is by ELIMINATING RADICALISATION .....that is doing the opposite of what Israel is doing now. Unless radicalisation is stopped from both sides this war in all its formats will never end.

 

[Combat]

Do you honestly believe that MOSSAD did not know what HAMAS was planning ? Do you honestly believe that MOSSAD did not notice the build up ....just a few miles away from the Gaza Wall ? Really guys ? Of course they knew and they wanted it to happen, they wanted a good excuse to take over Gaza. THAT WAS THE MISSION.

This is ALL ABOUT THE LAND....ABOUT TAKING OVER GAZA. Nothing else. That coastline is incredibly beautiful and markedly some of the best land in the middle east.

I have great admiration for the Israeli people and how they survived throughout the years. I also understand the frustration of the Israeli people with the outrageous fundamentalism there is from both sides. YES ...from both sides.

The people know that the only way how Israel can survive in peace is to eliminate fanaticism, TO ELIMINATE RADICALSM. Because of Netanyahu and his hidden personal agendas, and most probably family business interests, he radicalised the next generations who has seen their parents, brothers and sisters getting killed. We are not talking about a few hundred. Lets put everything in perspective ...we are talking about nearly 50,000 civilians killed. CIVILIANS.

The future does not bode well ....my only hope is that we wont go back to the 70s ...lest we forget.

And by the way, for those who do not know ...HAMAS was originally a MOSSAD idea. It was created to split the PLO and bring down Yasser Arafat. Initially it was funded by Israel Secret Service.

Oct. 7 was the fault of Israel? This is a land grab? LOL. I thought that I had heard it all. The bottom line is that civilization cannot coexist in the presence of barbarians intent on genocide. The latter is no one's fault other than the perpetrators. The Nazis and Japanese of WWII no doubt had some legitimate grievances but that did not entitle them to engage in aggressive wars of genocide. The consequences include the potential for the destruction of their countries including civilian causalities. The only solution is unconditional surrender by Hamas and occupation until such time as the residents are deemed capable of self-governance in accordance with international laws.

 

[Horus]

The only way this war can ever come to a stop is by ELIMINATING RADICALISATION .....that is doing the opposite of what Israel is doing now. Unless radicalisation is stopped from both sides this war in all its formats will never end.

You're forgetting that the people of Gaza and West Bank will only ever be satisfied when every Jewish person is dead, they are not interested in any two state solution.
They absolutely hate everything and everyone there Which is what they are taught from the cradle to the grave.

 

[Desertkiwi]

Do you honestly believe that MOSSAD did not know what HAMAS was planning ? Do you honestly believe that MOSSAD did not notice the build up ....just a few miles away from the Gaza Wall ? Really guys ? Of course they knew and they wanted it to happen, they wanted a good excuse to take over Gaza. THAT WAS THE MISSION.

This is ALL ABOUT THE LAND....ABOUT TAKING OVER GAZA. Nothing else. That coastline is incredibly beautiful and markedly some of the best land in the middle east.

I have great admiration for the Israeli people and how they survived throughout the years. I also understand the frustration of the Israeli people with the outrageous fundamentalism there is from both sides. YES ...from both sides.

The people know that the only way how Israel can survive in peace is to eliminate fanaticism, TO ELIMINATE RADICALSM. Because of Netanyahu and his hidden personal agendas, and most probably family business interests, he radicalised the next generations who has seen their parents, brothers and sisters getting killed. We are not talking about a few hundred. Lets put everything in perspective ...we are talking about nearly 50,000 civilians killed. CIVILIANS.

The future does not bode well ....my only hope is that we wont go back to the 70s ...lest we forget.

And by the way, for those who do not know ...HAMAS was originally a MOSSAD idea. It was created to split the PLO and bring down Yasser Arafat. Initially it was funded by Israel Secret Service.

Sounds like a Hamas political broadcast in the most crudest of forms. You're basically blaming the Israeli's for the October 7th attack as a result of some secret Netanyahu agenda to land grab Gaza. As for your claim about Israeli radicalism like the rest of your post you provide no evidence nor context, just the standard ramblings of a pro-Palestinian supporter.

As for the 50,000 civilian causalities figures you have quoted, you do realize these figures are supplied by Hamas themselves and regularly quoted by the bias MSM as factual.

And lets not forget Israel withdraw from the Gaza strip back in 2005, which included the dismantling of over 2x dozen Israeli settlements from Gaza. The Palestinian Authority took control of Gaza which essentially became a Palestinian state. Hamas ousted the authority in 2007 and redirected the billions of international aid and financial investment into their own pockets.