Baymax...Nice Photo of the Figarti Summer Panther.....Hope we see another Figarti Panther soon.
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Baymax...Nice Photo of the Figarti Summer Panther.....Hope we see another Figarti Panther soon.
People who have seen the Figarti repaints at shows say the paint quality is vastly inferior to what Figarti once produced. I have seen numerious photos of the Figarti pieces on the Chinese site and they are a meer shadow of what was done in the past. Basicly old inventory; perhaps even production rejects from the look of some of them.
I said once before that the Advertising photo from Figarti for the Panther G; which I posted above is superior to any of the production pieces; as has been verified by a number of collectors including myself. You are very lucky if your Panther G even approaches the colors and definition of the advertising photo.
Please provide a photo of your Panther G; so we can compare it to the Figarti photo.
As soon as I work out the picture issue I will post. I think it is a sweeping statement to say the advert picture is better than any of the released ones. You could not have seen every single version to ascertain that. Did lots of people complain regarding the colour tone? I am not sure of that either. The darker tones have always been a Figarti way to paint as I mentioned in a discussion on one of the threads you have started. They are simply depicting what they see as German camouflage and some were lighter or, not lighter but have more yellow showing.
could you state which sets are mere shadows of themselves on the website in China? I think they are all repaints so, different. The new painted Panther is much better in colour way as are a number of the new Russian repaints. they did even with the allied do a darker tone for the green. I think its what we call beer goggles here where you seem to be seeing something that is not actually the case. ten beers and the beautiful girl turn in the morning to be a right old shoe. I did ask about the darker paint tones and which you think were better painted but no reply. Even the Tiger I's with metal road wheels had darker tones only the 007 was a lighter shade and, that was very bright in colour
We could pick several manufacturers releases to discuss paint colour and variations but, you again just choose Figarti,
I believe you will find these photos of better quality. I am using Halogen floods for illumination. The prior photo was had insufficient illumination, thus the sepia effect.
The Figarti advertising photo is at the top. The three following photos are of my Figarti Panther G. The difference in paint quality is clear. The production piece has a muddy look. the green color varies with location. The yellow blends with the brown in places to produce a beige or tan color. I will probably repaint it; as it deserves a better camouflage pattern and colors IMO. The Figarti Jagdpanzer IV was a text book example of the right patterns and colors of late war German Camouflage; which is why I am so disappointed with the Figarti Panther G; other than it being 1/29 scale and too large next to my Figarti Jagdpanzer.
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Two different color schemes from the Prototype photo and the Panther shown here. The darker version to me does look better. The yellow on the prototype looks too light.
Change for the better ?
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To be honest you could say that about any company photos , me personally was really happy with the Panther as it a more realistic colour ! I've checked figarti eBay web site today and glad to see a lot more new repaints which is a good sign ,I would say you have a very negative out look on the hobby , I look at my figarti collection with joy but fill you should move on with Your negative post all the time as you made your point more than once and maybe you should stick with your plastic 1/32 scale tanks
if you are doing pictures to support your point that there is an inherent flaw in the colour of the Figarti Panther then why doctor your pictures so much? You should have taken them in more natural light. The camera never lies is now a thing of the past and your pictures support your point. even having said that there is clearly hull dunkelgelb which shows clearly.
You also did not reply as to my point that Figarti have throughout their tenure painted items in a darker tone. If you look Rick said he was heavily influenced or it may have been his father by the model world and looking at that hobby this darker tone was prevalent with modellers like Verlinden. I mentioned the stuka du voss being very dark and you still have not answered whether you accept disagree that is how they went about.
UK subs makes a good point you do seem to focus on Figarti and compare them with cheap plastic tanks. It would be better and more interesting if you cross sectioned the hobby's releases and compared them to the plastic stuff
You also did not reply as to my point that Figarti have throughout their tenure painted items in a darker tone. If you look Rick said he was heavily influenced or it may have been his father by the model world and looking at that hobby this darker tone was prevalent with modellers like Verlinden. I mentioned the stuka du voss being very dark and you still have not answered whether you accept disagree that is how they went about.
UK subs makes a good point you do seem to focus on Figarti and compare them with cheap plastic tanks. It would be better and more interesting if you cross sectioned the hobby's releases and compared them to the plastic stuff
The photos below show the correct colors and patterns of late war German Panzers.
The first photo is the Figarti Advertising photo for the Panther G.
The second photo of the VsTank Kingtiger has the correct colors and pattern of late war German camouflage.
The third photo is the Figarti Jagdpanzer IV; which has text book colors and pattern. Please note the color and pattern is not dark or muddy. the areas of color are distinct. Figarti at its best with this model; with the sad exception that it is too high in relation to the figure for a 1/30 Panzer and a 60mm figure. The Jagdpanzer IV was 1829 mm high or 61 mm at 1/30 scale. The Figarti model measures 66.6 mm high. The figures head should be even with the roof of the Panzer to be correct. Even with the 3mm thick base of the figure added, the roof of the Jagdpanzer is 3.6 mm too high; very disproportionate IMO.
The fourth photo is the Thomas Gunn Hetzer; again a text book example of the correct colors in an excellent 1/30 model.
The Figarti thread is for discussing Figarti and their products. I criticize or discuss TCS on that thread and Thomas Gunn on their thread et. al.
The General Matte Discussion thread is for general topics of interest.
Thank you for the pictures. I am getting confused with what we are discussing at the moment so, stay with me. The colours are good on the Jagpanzer but, I also like the colours of the Panther G. I do not have nor have I seen the Gunn Hetzer I do have the Collectors showcase release which is a decent looking tank.
You again refer to scale of figures with height of a figure being indicative or proof that they are wrong. You do this with the Britain's figure and the Figarti tank but, fail to mention the scale irregularity in the King Tiger and the two figures. They look completely out of place on the tank and in the turret.
Is that figure an old Britain's as I was under the impression that they were 1/32nd which would offer some explanation for the scale irregularity. Again, not every single human would reach the top of tanks and some would be lower than certain fixed points on Tanks and, conversely be taller.
A brief look at the internet on Jagdpanzers shows some figures below and some above as I mentioned and all I did was type in jagdpanzer a moment ago. I did mention to you in another thread that using figures related to human beings is a way I would not address scale. I think for ecery fact or picture showing people in line of above this you could as easily find the same or more showing them below.
You again refer to scale of figures with height of a figure being indicative or proof that they are wrong. You do this with the Britain's figure and the Figarti tank but, fail to mention the scale irregularity in the King Tiger and the two figures. They look completely out of place on the tank and in the turret.
Is that figure an old Britain's as I was under the impression that they were 1/32nd which would offer some explanation for the scale irregularity. Again, not every single human would reach the top of tanks and some would be lower than certain fixed points on Tanks and, conversely be taller.
A brief look at the internet on Jagdpanzers shows some figures below and some above as I mentioned and all I did was type in jagdpanzer a moment ago. I did mention to you in another thread that using figures related to human beings is a way I would not address scale. I think for ecery fact or picture showing people in line of above this you could as easily find the same or more showing them below.
First photo; W. Britains Fallschirmjager with Figarti Panther G. If the FJ is 1/32 as you contend than the Panther G is also 1/32. FYI WB matte figures have been 58-60 mm for the last 10 years per Ken Osen the General Manager and Sculptor with W. Britains. The figure you state is 1/32 scale is 1/30 scale-60 mm and was made in 2009. I stated this in my previous post. Panzers are usually displayed with figures. The size of the figure is important in establishing the realism of a scene or diorama. Panzers with figures too far above the deck or too far below the deck are unrealistic. The Panzer deck height determines the correct figure height range. I have never stated that the figure height determines the Panzer scale. The figures are a point of reference to determine a correct size relationship.
Hunter Rose has posted some excellent photos of a Panther G with First Legion figures on the Panzer Measurement thread in General Matte Discussions. A comparison of this photo and those photos shows that W. Britains and First Legion figures are both 60 mm and size compatible with 1/30 scale Panzers.
The second photo shows the Figarti Panther G with a millimeter scale measuring the height. Please note the height of the deck, where the top of the head of the 60 mm figure reaches.
The third photo shows a Panzer IV with two W. Britains Fallschirmjager beside it. The FJ on the right is the new 2016 release, it measures 61 mm from the top of the base. The FJ on the left is the 2009 Osprey Art release, it measures 60 mm from the top of the base. The FJs are both 1/30 scale.
The forth photo shows a Kingtiger with the two W. Britains Fallschirmjager beside it; they are size compatible with the Kingtiger per WW II photos I have previously posted. The top of the head about even with the deck. A realistic range would be a half head above and a full head below the 74" high deck. The human head is about 9 to 10 " high and is a good size reference in old photos.
The fifth photo shows a Kingtiger with two figures beside it. The figure on the left is 60 mm tall from the top of the base. The figure on the right is 54 mm tall from the top of the base. Question which figure is the most size compatible with the Kingtiger in your opinion?
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Katana, Is the King Tiger from Collectors Showcase ? Appears to be one of theirs ?
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The Kingtiger and Panzer IV H are both 21st Century Cold Steel Panzers. The die cast metal version and for some unknown reason they are over size and actually measure at 1/30 scale. I think they work pretty well with the W. Britains Fallschirmjager. What do you think?
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Katana, Yes indeed they work for me ! Need to start looking around now for a few of these {sm4}
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Did you not just post the other day that figures standing over the deck of a king tiger were accurate and showed a picture of German tankers next to the tank? Why now show Britain's figures with a raise king tiger allowing them to stand below the deck by raising it?
Is it not the case that some stand over these points of reference and some do not therefore its a non issue constantly standing figures against the hull side to show.....
The Panzer Iv is a poor looking model and the painting is a bit garish for my taste
Did you not just post the other day that figures standing over the deck of a king tiger were accurate and showed a picture of German tankers next to the tank? Why now show Britain's figures with a raise king tiger allowing them to stand below the deck by raising it?
Is it not the case that some stand over these points of reference and some do not therefore its a non issue constantly standing figures against the hull side to show.....
The Panzer Iv is a poor looking model and the painting is a bit garish for my taste
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