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[katana]

Katana,

Did you not just post the other day that figures standing over the deck of a king tiger were accurate and showed a picture of German tankers next to the tank? Why now show Britain's figures with a raise king tiger allowing them to stand below the deck by raising it?

The platform is to offset the height of the figures bases; which are 3mm thick. Figures heads in reality can be both above and below the Panzers deck; but not by more than half a head above or a full head below to be reasonably accurate. A human head is about 9" high. The deck is 74" high depending on load and torsion bar/ spring compression. 74+4.5=78.5 or 6'6.5". A very tall man for 1944; but George Patton was 6'4" tall and with his helmet would stand about 6'6" A full head below the deck level woud be 74-9=66 or 5'6", short but not atypical for 1944.

I am sorry you do not like the pattern and colors on the Panzer IV; but they are accurate for a late war Panzer IV H. The Rotbrun is the correct color for the primer used in this period. The Dunkelgrun and Dunkelgleb are also the correct RAL colors. I think you will find the stripes using these colors in this period to be even more garish than this pattern. I wish you would post some photos of your models so I could venture my opinion as to their quality.

Either you or UKsubs commented about cheap plastic panzers. Polyurathane resin and Polystyrene resin are both classified as plastics. Polyurathane resin has filler materials added to increase the density and hardness and is called polystone. A cheap way to produce statues with very poorly defined details due to the soft tooling used to mold the products. Polystyrene is used in high precision steel injection molds. The detail is very well defined and is why this process is used for high quality military models in many scales by Dragon , Tamiya etc.

You accused me of not responding to a question of yours about the scale of the First Legion Panzer IV. You posted the question on the wrong thread; which was about Kingtigers and Jagdtigers, not about Panzer IV scale. I happened across your post so I can now respond. I determined the scale of the First Legion Panzer IV by measuring the model and calculating the scale at 1/31. I asked you to provide the dimensions of your First Legion Panzer IV; but you never bothered to respond. Communications must be two way to be effective.

 

[jazzeum]

Could you fix your quote; it's hard to tell where Baymax's comment ends and yours begins.

 

[Baymax]

The platform is to offset the height of the figures bases; which are 3mm thick. Figures heads in reality can be both above and below the Panzers deck; but not by more than half a head above or a full head below to be reasonably accurate. A human head is about 9" high. The deck is 74" high depending on load and torsion bar/ spring compression. 74+4.5=78.5 or 6'6.5". A very tall man for 1944; but George Patton was 6'4" tall and with his helmet would stand about 6'6" A full head below the deck level woud be 74-9=66 or 5'6", short but not atypical for 1944.

I am sorry you do not like the pattern and colors on the Panzer IV; but they are accurate for a late war Panzer IV H. The Rotbrun is the correct color for the primer used in this period. The Dunkelgrun and Dunkelgleb are also the correct RAL colors. I think you will find the stripes using these colors in this period to be even more garish than this pattern. I wish you would post some photos of your models so I could venture my opinion as to their quality.

Either you or UKsubs commented about cheap plastic panzers. Polyurathane resin and Polystyrene resin are both classified as plastics. Polyurathane resin has filler materials added to increase the density and hardness and is called polystone. A cheap way to produce statues with very poorly defined details due to the soft tooling used to mold the products. Polystyrene is used in high precision steel injection molds. The detail is very well defined and is why this process is used for high quality military models in many scales by Dragon , Tamiya etc.

You accused me of not responding to a question of yours about the scale of the First Legion Panzer IV. You posted the question on the wrong thread; which was about Kingtigers and Jagdtigers, not about Panzer IV scale. I happened across your post so I can now respond. I determined the scale of the First Legion Panzer IV by measuring the model and calculating the scale at 1/31. I asked you to provide the dimensions of your First Legion Panzer IV; but you never bothered to respond. Communications must be two way to be effective.

I did not comment on plastic panzers. I mentioned the colour way rather than the actual pattern. The colour for the rotbraun is totally incorrect when addressing RAL. It is the colour I am focusing on not the manner in which it is applied.

Agreed that some comments are getting missed in the myriad of different threads. I will supply the measurements for the Panzer IV but, if we are talking of issues with moulds and similar then they are all accurately measured because each could have some shrink discrepancy.

 

[OzDigger]

The coloration on both cold steel tanks looks accurate to me. They represent good value for display with figures from the smaller end of the 1/30 spectrum such as First Legion etc.

 

[katana]

The new W.Britains Fallschirmjager work very well with the Figarti Panther G IMO. I think these Fallschirmjager are as good as First Legion figures for a lot less money. Kudos to Ken Osen for producing such excellent figures that work so well with Figarti Armor.

The new W. Britains Airborne Infantry figure is also very nice and would work well with the Figarti M26 Pershing.

Slange VaL

 

[OzDigger]

Britains figures are improving all the time, I'm looking forward to their new 88mm gun.

 

[Hunter Rose]

The coloration on both cold steel tanks looks accurate to me. They represent good value for display with figures from the smaller end of the 1/30 spectrum such as First Legion etc.

I guess it's all what your after. If you're looking to do these vehicles "on the cheap" and have them be "close enough" than I guess they are passable.

The Dunkelgelb on the King Tiger is way too orange to my eyes. And the Britain's figures look too big/bulky for them. I'd love to see that FJ try and fit through the tiny driver's hatch. I'd also like to see a front on picture of the King Tiger with the Britain FJ standing next to it. I think it would show the lack of bulk to the King Tiger's glacis plate since it is too small.

The Panzer IV is pretty poor. The paint job with zero weathering just looks bad. The rotbraun is a poor representation, it definitely looks like primer rather than the camo color . The Panzer IV definitely screams plastic toy to me. Those hinges for the driver/radio operators hatches are horrendous and really jump out at you.

 

[OzDigger]

I guess it's all what your after. If you're looking to do these vehicles "on the cheap" and have them be "close enough" than I guess they are passable.

The Dunkelgelb on the King Tiger is way too orange to my eyes. And the Britain's figures look too big/bulky for them. I'd love to see that FJ try and fit through the tiny driver's hatch. I'd also like to see a front on picture of the King Tiger with the Britain FJ standing next to it. I think it would show the lack of bulk to the King Tiger's glacis plate since it is too small.

The Panzer IV is pretty poor. The paint job with zero weathering just looks bad. The rotbraun is a poor representation, it definitely looks like primer rather than the camo color . The Panzer IV definitely screams plastic toy to me. Those hinges for the driver/radio operators hatches are horrendous and really jump out at you.

The Dunkelgelb on the KT is perhaps darker than usual but doesn't look at all Orange to me and the Rotbraun (Red-Brown) on the Panzer IV looks very close to me, better than some expensive models. Yes the hinges etc are obvious and toy like but they do provide an alternative for those collectors into late war German figures and armour in the smaller figure sizes. I don't have any myself as they are too toy like for my tastes but there are now fewer options than there was a few short years ago. Of course collectors could wait for First Legion to issue some late war German armor which will be better than say the Figarti Panther which was weathered very poorly imo.

 

[katana]

I guess it's all what your after. If you're looking to do these vehicles "on the cheap" and have them be "close enough" than I guess they are passable.

The Dunkelgelb on the King Tiger is way too orange to my eyes. And the Britain's figures look too big/bulky for them. I'd love to see that FJ try and fit through the tiny driver's hatch. I'd also like to see a front on picture of the King Tiger with the Britain FJ standing next to it. I think it would show the lack of bulk to the King Tiger's glacis plate since it is too small.

The Panzer IV is pretty poor. The paint job with zero weathering just looks bad. The rotbraun is a poor representation, it definitely looks like primer rather than the camo color . The Panzer IV definitely screams plastic toy to me. Those hinges for the driver/radio operators hatches are horrendous and really jump out at you.

The 21st Centry Panzers are not perfect; but where else do you find a Kingtiger compatible with WB and FL Figures? The TCS Kingtiger is too large at 1/27 and the K&C is too small at 1/32. I really hope Figarti makes a 1/30 Kingtiger. Time will tell!

The paint on both 21st Century models is better than the paint on my $200.00 Figarti Panther G or the TCS Kingtiger IMO. Please keep in mind that different monitors display colors differently. CRT, Flourescent and LED illumination can shift colors. I really enjoyed your post of the Panther G and First Legion figures; but the Panther G colors lookd Beige and dark Purple on my monitors. My monitors are calibrated for image processing; so both my LED and Flourescent tube illuminated montiors show the same colors. I use a color Laser printer for images and the prints match the actual Panzer colors and the monitor images. Dunkelgleb is the most difficult color to emulate as their were three differnt versions in use during WW II.

 

[Vezzolf]

The Figarti Summer Panther was fairly well done for the price IMO....bit I decided not to purchase it, as I would have had to do a re-paint and remove some of the (too many) tracks attached to the turret as well as apply a turret number.....The dimensions however were fine for FL figures and overall it was accurate 1:30th scale.

 

[Desertkiwi]

Britains figures are improving all the time, I'm looking forward to their new 88mm gun.

The 88 sounds interesting Oz, got any links or pic's?

Cheers!

 

[jazzeum]

Toddy,

Here are some photos of the Britains 88. It was shown in Chicago but I think it's still three or so months away from being available.

Brad

 

[OzDigger]

The 88 sounds interesting Oz, got any links or pic's?

Cheers!

See Brad's photo mate, also some info on the Britains section. I like the detail and painting, but not sure what scale it is, it may be too small for my large size 1/30 figures. I suspect it will be a closer match to the smaller figures eg Britains and First Legion.

 

[jazzeum]

It's 1/30. Ken Osen is a stickler about scale so I'm sure it will be 1/30.

 

[Panzer ace]

How many 88's did Figarti make? I seem to remember at least 2?

 

[uksubs]

See Brad's photo mate, also some info on the Britains section. I like the detail and painting, but not sure what scale it is, it may be too small for my large size 1/30 figures. I suspect it will be a closer match to the smaller figures eg Britains and First Legion.

Don't you mean FL and WB are 1/30 scale and your "other" figures are bigger than 1/30 scale :wink2:

 

[uksubs]

How many 88's did Figarti make? I seem to remember at least 2?

Think it three if you include the winter version

 

[Panzer ace]

Think it three if you include the winter version

Thanks for the info!

 

[Desertkiwi]

Toddy,

Here are some photos of the Britains 88. It was shown in Chicago but I think it's still three or so months away from being available.

Brad

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Thanks for taking the time to post a pic Brad and thanks Matt for mentioning the new 88 as well!

She's a beaut, with loads of detail and I like the camo job. The barn is also very cool too. Is that a Britains model?

I presume they will produce separate gun crew as well?

Hate to think what the price would be, but very nice all the same.

 

[PanzerAce1944]

Now I got it !!! Figarti is W.Britains in disguise ! {sm3}

Wayne