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Not a good game for the Giants. Peavy wasn't sharp and then the bullpen melts down in the pivotal 6th inning. Timmy L gets in, looks really good, then suffers some sort of injury. Just a bad night all-around. It happens sometimes. KC got it's ideal game with the back end of the bullpen working just like they wanted. 1-1 going back to SF where I think SF still has the advantage. Game 3 will pair Hudson against Guthrie, both WS first timers. Should be an interesting game because of that. -- Al
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Al/Brad:
Great posts on tonight’s game.
Peavy was good but you can’t leave the ball up against a team like the Royals. I still think he is a money pitcher but he just didn’t have it tonight.
Although Strickland has since apologized I think it is time to sit him for the rest of the Series. It is not just the HR’s that have gotten him into trouble, it is his temper and emotions too. As a Giants fan I am more than a little embarrassed by him. It is up to Bochy to do the right thing and bench him.
I never thought we were going to sweep them, I do think that we will win the next two. With the Giants winning it in 6.
GO GIANTS!!!!!!!
-Jason
Great posts on tonight’s game.
Peavy was good but you can’t leave the ball up against a team like the Royals. I still think he is a money pitcher but he just didn’t have it tonight.
Although Strickland has since apologized I think it is time to sit him for the rest of the Series. It is not just the HR’s that have gotten him into trouble, it is his temper and emotions too. As a Giants fan I am more than a little embarrassed by him. It is up to Bochy to do the right thing and bench him.
I never thought we were going to sweep them, I do think that we will win the next two. With the Giants winning it in 6.
GO GIANTS!!!!!!!
-Jason
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In the old days pitchers like Drysdale and Sal (the Barber) Maglie, who got his name because he liked to give batters a close shave, would have plunked the next batter and that would have been that. Many a batter hated when the batter before them hit a HR against Drysdale because they knew they were going down. Unfortunately, in today's sanitized game where opponents are friends, not enemies, you can't do that anymore.
Incidentally, Maglie pitched for both the Dodgers and Giants and was reviled by Giant fans when he signed with the Dodgers. Similarly, when Jackie was traded to the Giants in 1956, he retired rather than having to wear a Giants uniform. That's when wearing the uniform of a team meant something. Few players today epitomize that spirit, the most notable that comes to mind being Derek Jeter.
Incidentally, Maglie pitched for both the Dodgers and Giants and was reviled by Giant fans when he signed with the Dodgers. Similarly, when Jackie was traded to the Giants in 1956, he retired rather than having to wear a Giants uniform. That's when wearing the uniform of a team meant something. Few players today epitomize that spirit, the most notable that comes to mind being Derek Jeter.
Now that was a rivalry. Never saw The Barber pitch but thanks to a series of articles in Sports Illustrated I became well aware of his pitching style and career. Watched Drysdale and was always fascinated by his side-arm delivery and his reputation. In relation to signing with the enemy, I can still remember the shock I felt when Juan Marichal, my biggest hero on a Giant team filled with heroes, signed with the hated Dodgers in 1975 when he was attempting to extend his career at the end. Fortunately, Marichal decided he couldn't do the job anymore and he retired after pitching in only 2 games with the Dodgers. The 60's were the days that formed my view on baseball and pitching and I'm afraid I'm still rather stuck there, before they lowered the mound and free-agency existed. But time marches on... -- Al
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Hudson needs to step up and pitch the game of his life; my concern for the Giants is who else is going to win games for them in this series other than their ace, who goes one more time.
Hudson needs to be lights out tomorrow night; Peavy last night reminded me of many of his Red Sox starts, couldn't get the job done..................
Hudson needs to be lights out tomorrow night; Peavy last night reminded me of many of his Red Sox starts, couldn't get the job done..................
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Even before he joined the Giants I was a huge fan of Hudson. He is humble and works hard in every outing. He can be a junk ball pitcher late in games but if he gets guys out I could care less. My concern is with Guthrie. AT&T Park is made for pitchers like him. And as we have seen in the ALCS all the Royals need is a couple of runs and they can easily win games as their starting pitchers grind out innings with groundballs and fly outs.
I will be watching Guthrie with a great deal of interest. I have followed him since Baltimore acquired him in 2007. He was the best pitcher on some really poor O's teams. He is a fly ball pitcher with a weakness for giving up Hr's and he is an innings eater and workhorse type pitcher rather than an ace but he is capable of the occasional gem. We shall see. -- Al
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Maglie was before my time but I would hear stories from old timers who had seen him play, plus my parents were Dodger (Father) and Giant (Mother) fans. I didn't become a fan until both teams left town but my first game as a Mets fan in 1962 was at the Polo Grounds, which by then was not in the greatest of shape. It was a huge place, especially in the outfield. You could see where my favorite player of all time, Willie Mays, made his catch in 1954.
We're all getting a bit grayer but O'Malley used to be a dirty word in this town (except to Yankee fans who didn't care; there was a saying that rooting for the Yankees was like rooting for U.S. Steel). Never was a man hated like him. I stopped despising him after they sold the team. However, it's come out that he was between a rock and a hard place. Ebbets Field was falling apart and he had to move. O'Malley wanted to stay in NY and was looking at land in Flushing where the Mets now paly but Robert Moses, the road and bridge czar who no Mayor or Governor would go up against, wasn't cooperative or gave him a hard time so O'Malley was backed into a corner.
When he went out to LA, at the invitation of the Mayor of LA (I think), he became intrigued when he was shown the Chavez Ravine site but still wanted to stay in the City. Legend has it that it was Horace Stoneham, the Giants owner, who had the idea of moving to the West Coast. Since O'Malley continued to be stonewalled by Moses, he had no choice but to up and leave.
The funny thing is that O'Malley gets all the blame but no one ever blamed Stoneham. Also, there has never been the kind of lore about the Giants as there is/was about the Dodgers. However, both teams still have a big following in NY and when the Giants won in either 2010 or 2012, I recall that team officials came to NY (maybe with some players) for a celerbration with Giant fans.
I will finish up this trip down memory lane by noting that the Mets cap is an amalgam of Dodger blue and the Giants NY logo.
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Brad:
Great and informative post.
I especially liked the fact about the Mets logo.
-Jason
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Thanks Jason. I believe the cap idea came from Joan Payson, the Mets first owner; there have only been two owners. Mrs. Payson was a Whitney so she was relatively wealthy. She was also a big baseball fan and a minority shareholder in the Giants. She and another shareholder, M. Donald Grant, opposed the relocation and were the founders of the team when the NL decided to expand. Grant has gained notoriety as the man who traded the Franchise aka Tom Seaver to the Reds.
On a reality note, here is an article about Game 1 being the lowest rated game in WS history. I'm not sure it's about the teams as the 1980 WS with the Royals and Phillies was the highest rated.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/s...of-attention-in-new-landscape.html?ref=sports
On a reality note, here is an article about Game 1 being the lowest rated game in WS history. I'm not sure it's about the teams as the 1980 WS with the Royals and Phillies was the highest rated.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/s...of-attention-in-new-landscape.html?ref=sports
Good article. I'll bet the late start times have a lot to do with the ratings. Tough to be a school age kid and know you have to go to bed before the game is over. I also think the local nature of the teams has a big influence. This would be a problem with whatever team gets in, so it is almost a must to get at least one nationally popular team into the series (like the Dodgers, Yankees, Red Sox, etc.). An east coast vs west coast match-up might help a little, but there again team recognition would matter. More than anything, as the article points out, the wide variety of choice for the viewer seems to be the real culprit in lower ratings. -- Al
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Hard to blame Donnie Baseball, when the best pitchers ever to play the game ( according to pundits )did not do their jobs. Madden is gimicky, intuitive, and gets the most from average ballplayers. The Dodgers ain't none of that..Michael
Through 3 innings and Guthrie is doing what he does, out-wise, as he's gotten 6 fly outs. A very even game as both pitchers have only yielded 2 hits, each on 29 strikes in 47 pitches. Really even. -- Al
Close game, as close as it gets. Nice win for KC, tough loss for SF. Glad to see Guthrie get his first post-season win (take that, O's) but sorry it came at the Giants expense. KC got the game they wanted and their bullpen did as they have done all post-season. Now it is essential that the Giants win the next 2 games as they certainly don't want to go back to KC down 3-2. Will Bumgarner go in the all-important Game 4? -- Al
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Al:
That was a well-earned win for KC. I am proud of hard the Giants played, but once they get to their bullpen KC gets really difficult to beat. Tough loss for Hudson, but a great win for Guthrie.
Vogelsong will go in game 4. I won't second guess Bochy and his two rings but it sure would be nice to see Bumgarner.
GO GIANTS!!!!
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The problem the Giants have is the Royals are a AL team but are built and play like an NL team; case in point, their first run last night was the result of a double, a ground out to advance the runner to third, a weak sauce ground out scores the run.
As Al said, the next two games are must win games for the Giants as they do not want to go back to KC down 3-2. If they are up 3-2 and lose game 6, you bring the ace back for a winner take all game 7.....................
As Al said, the next two games are must win games for the Giants as they do not want to go back to KC down 3-2. If they are up 3-2 and lose game 6, you bring the ace back for a winner take all game 7.....................
Game 4 underway but I can't help but feel this should be Bumgarner's start, short rest and all. When you have a horse that can carry the team, why not use him? If SF pushes this to Game 7, Bumgarner would have to go with 2 days rest, instead of 3, which he would have if he went tonight. Maybe Vogelsong will come through, but if he doesn't, not starting Bumgarner tonight will be seen as a major error. -- Al