hotel3alpha
Command Sergeant Major
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All,
I watched the whole video to understand what this situation was. I held judgement because other incidents in recent memory have always had a back story that allowed you to understand the state of mind of the police and the perp/victim. Oh, and Jussie Smollet where ever you are you can GFYS, you freaking coward...you made up a incident based on race, a fake potential hate crime and show zero contrition for your actions. Your the reason why there is doubt in our heads in situations like this.
Okay, now that is out of the way, I watched in horror as this grown man called out for his mama (who died two years ago) as a last plea knowing he was going to die. Meanwhile, this cop has his knee on his neck, constricting his trachea, crushing the base of his skull and smashing his face into the pavement. This technique is meant to subdue a perp for arrest, gain control and release. It is a painful, shocking to the perp and authorized use of force to contain a suspect for the protection of officers while apprehending a suspect. But, when control is taken there is no reason to stay in that position for any significant amount of time because...well you can really hurt someone, cause injury and potentially kill someone. Controlling and putting suspect into cuffs has to be fast, furious and then its over. He put his full weight on this guy for a full 7 minutes while the "suspect" did not move, told the officers he couldn't breath, the plead for his life, called out for his mama and then went unconscious. He did this is broad daylight, knowing he was being filmed, heard the public pleading to release him and continued his use of deadly force with no emotion and as if this was business as usual.
I have been in this position two times in my life; the first was in military as apart of our police training and the second in Japan as apart of my Aikido training from the masters. I trained with them for 8 years and received my shodan after 5 years. Aikido holds and techniques are far more painful from the technique that was used on this man, but you only felt it for a second or two before you tapped out. Police holds are excruciating painful and I don't care how tough you are you WILL submit, comply or anything else a cop asks. I CANNOT imagine being in that type of hold for no more than 30 maybe 45 seconds (even thats too long) before screaming bloody murder, nor can I imagine PUTTING someone in that type of hold which in my opinion would sadistic, cruel and abusive. Once time, on a Sunday, my master and I would train early in the morning. It was just him and I and I appreciated the extra attention, however he put me in a hold one time that was so painful and even though I tapped out he continued. I protested his excessive time on the hold and when he responded his breathe was full of liquor from the night before. I debated telling our Master in Tokyo who was the third highest Shihan in the world, but decided against it because of the whole shame-saving face thing in Japan, but after that incident I never trained with him outside of normal training. Anyway, from my purview this is an excessive use of force and abuse of power on the cops. Likewise, the other officers who stood by and were complicit to his actions and should be punished accordingly.
In addition, it is a double negative because we asks why the bystanders did not step in. Well, they can't or they would be charged with assault of a police officer which is a felony. Likewise, if a bystander acted how can one prove that you acted to "save his life" if he survived. Sure you can argue that he is alive because of stepping in, but that does not take away from the taboo and felonious act of attacking a police officer. Again, its a double negative situation where you damed if you do or ****ed if you don't step in. Therefore, you have to look to the other officers on scene who provide a check and balance on each other to ensure their safety and also ensure they don't over reach their authority. No, the other officer on film threatened the public to stay out of it and stay back, thus protecting and more over condoning his unlawful acts.
This is a shame, sad, infuriating and stokes fear in the community...their community, your community and mine. Marvin Gaye sang so eloquently in Inner City Blue written by poet Gil Scott-Heron:
Oh, make me wanna holler
And throw up both my hands
Yea, it makes me wanna holler
And throw up both my hands
Crime is increasing
Trigger happy policing
Panic is spreading
God knows where, where we're heading
John from TExas
I watched the whole video to understand what this situation was. I held judgement because other incidents in recent memory have always had a back story that allowed you to understand the state of mind of the police and the perp/victim. Oh, and Jussie Smollet where ever you are you can GFYS, you freaking coward...you made up a incident based on race, a fake potential hate crime and show zero contrition for your actions. Your the reason why there is doubt in our heads in situations like this.
Okay, now that is out of the way, I watched in horror as this grown man called out for his mama (who died two years ago) as a last plea knowing he was going to die. Meanwhile, this cop has his knee on his neck, constricting his trachea, crushing the base of his skull and smashing his face into the pavement. This technique is meant to subdue a perp for arrest, gain control and release. It is a painful, shocking to the perp and authorized use of force to contain a suspect for the protection of officers while apprehending a suspect. But, when control is taken there is no reason to stay in that position for any significant amount of time because...well you can really hurt someone, cause injury and potentially kill someone. Controlling and putting suspect into cuffs has to be fast, furious and then its over. He put his full weight on this guy for a full 7 minutes while the "suspect" did not move, told the officers he couldn't breath, the plead for his life, called out for his mama and then went unconscious. He did this is broad daylight, knowing he was being filmed, heard the public pleading to release him and continued his use of deadly force with no emotion and as if this was business as usual.
I have been in this position two times in my life; the first was in military as apart of our police training and the second in Japan as apart of my Aikido training from the masters. I trained with them for 8 years and received my shodan after 5 years. Aikido holds and techniques are far more painful from the technique that was used on this man, but you only felt it for a second or two before you tapped out. Police holds are excruciating painful and I don't care how tough you are you WILL submit, comply or anything else a cop asks. I CANNOT imagine being in that type of hold for no more than 30 maybe 45 seconds (even thats too long) before screaming bloody murder, nor can I imagine PUTTING someone in that type of hold which in my opinion would sadistic, cruel and abusive. Once time, on a Sunday, my master and I would train early in the morning. It was just him and I and I appreciated the extra attention, however he put me in a hold one time that was so painful and even though I tapped out he continued. I protested his excessive time on the hold and when he responded his breathe was full of liquor from the night before. I debated telling our Master in Tokyo who was the third highest Shihan in the world, but decided against it because of the whole shame-saving face thing in Japan, but after that incident I never trained with him outside of normal training. Anyway, from my purview this is an excessive use of force and abuse of power on the cops. Likewise, the other officers who stood by and were complicit to his actions and should be punished accordingly.
In addition, it is a double negative because we asks why the bystanders did not step in. Well, they can't or they would be charged with assault of a police officer which is a felony. Likewise, if a bystander acted how can one prove that you acted to "save his life" if he survived. Sure you can argue that he is alive because of stepping in, but that does not take away from the taboo and felonious act of attacking a police officer. Again, its a double negative situation where you damed if you do or ****ed if you don't step in. Therefore, you have to look to the other officers on scene who provide a check and balance on each other to ensure their safety and also ensure they don't over reach their authority. No, the other officer on film threatened the public to stay out of it and stay back, thus protecting and more over condoning his unlawful acts.
This is a shame, sad, infuriating and stokes fear in the community...their community, your community and mine. Marvin Gaye sang so eloquently in Inner City Blue written by poet Gil Scott-Heron:
Oh, make me wanna holler
And throw up both my hands
Yea, it makes me wanna holler
And throw up both my hands
Crime is increasing
Trigger happy policing
Panic is spreading
God knows where, where we're heading
John from TExas
