Figarti vehicles with First legion vehicles (2 Viewers)

[Firebat]

If any Figarti owners took a read at this thread they must have said aloud.."what the hell are these guys smok'n":smile2:...yea I'm with Wayne here, just want to get a side by side comparison, Firebat if you have a few FL and Figarti tanks please post some pics, don't really care about a dio setting, just want to see if they work in a regular side by side with some FL figures...Sammy

Sammy

I have a FL Stug, but Figarti does not. So a comparison can't be directly made. I want to simplify this matter, but it can get complex. Here is a fact, FL figures are small ( Remember I am talking actual height lets forget about scale).

They really don't fit with anything, after a bunch of weird tests I did, it looks like the 1/32nd Figarti Tiger is in the ball park. Remember there are variations within manufacturers products, and between manufacturers products, when you are trying to use them in a scene. So nothing is perfect.

Simple answer...... if FL figures are as small as supposed 1/32 figures, and believe me they are, NO DOUBT. You have a chance of using them with certain 1/32 vehicles.

I can get the scene done just about as quick as a comparison pic, we are packing for a show, so bear with us. Alex

 

[MC BOWEN]

Sammy

I have a FL Stug, but Figarti does not. So a comparison can't be directly made. I want to simplify this matter, but it can get complex. Here is a fact, FL figures are small ( Remember I am talking actual height lets forget about scale).

They really don't fit with anything, after a bunch of weird tests I did, it looks like the 1/32nd Figarti Tiger is in the ball park. Remember there are variations within manufacturers products, and between manufacturers products, when you are trying to use them in a scene. So nothing is perfect.

Simple answer...... if FL figures are as small as supposed 1/32 figures, and believe me they are, NO DOUBT. You have a chance of using them with certain 1/32 vehicles.

I can get the scene done just about as quick as a comparison pic, we are packing for a show, so bear with us. Alex

Firebat you came to the same conclusion i stated and got heck for on Nov,26th in the FL scale thread.They are too small to go with almost any brand but themselves.I do not have any Figarti to compare with but did WB--K&C--TCS--AEROART--CAME CLOSEST WITH AEROART--all the others way to small.Thank you Mike B.I did figure's not AFV's--might have better luck matching up the AFV's.

 

[fmethorst]

Firebat you came to the same conclusion i stated and got heck for on Nov,26th in the FL scale thread.They are too small to go with almost any brand but themselves.I do not have any Figarti to compare with but did WB--K&C--TCS--AEROART--CAME CLOSEST WITH AEROART--all the others way to small.Thank you Mike B.I did figure's not AFV's--might have better luck matching up the AFV's.

I don't think anyone is claiming the FL figures are similar in size to K&C or the other manufacturers who have chosen to match K&C. I think the contention comes when people insist that figure X is 1:30 scale (because it's advertised as such) when it is demonstratably not. This figure is then taken as a reference frame for measuring scale. If a vehicle looks too big or too small then the vehicle must be over or under scale. Same thing when comparing figures. This leads to claims of vehicles and figures being the incorrect scale when in fact it's the tool being used that is incorrect.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I don't think anyone is claiming the FL figures are similar in size to K&C or the other manufacturers who have chosen to match K&C. I think the contention comes when people insist that figure X is 1:30 scale (because it's advertised as such) when it is demonstratably not. This figure is then taken as a reference frame for measuring scale. If a vehicle looks too big or too small then the vehicle must be over or under scale. Same thing when comparing figures. This leads to claims of vehicles and figures being the incorrect scale when in fact it's the tool being used that is incorrect.

The photo compares 2 FL figures and 2 K&C figures to a K&C 1:30 scale Tiger tank. All 4 figures are advertised by the manufacturers as 1:30 but they are clearly not the same size - The K&C figures are taller and bulkier - proportionately larger in all aspects.

The tank has been placed on a base to equal the thickness of the bases on the figures.

The top of the FL figures comes to the deck height of the Tiger Tank - about where Frank's head was in a photo of him next to a Tiger. Also where the top of soldiers came to against a Tiger in photos from WWII. The Tiger was measured at 1:30 so the FL figures must be about 1:30. The K&C figures are clearly larger, about 1:28.

While there is some variation in the size of people, it is possible to measure an AFV and accurately calculate it's scale. Then figures can be placed next to the AFV and using compaison photos from WWII, it is easy to determine what the actual scale of the figure is.


The FL figures are smaller than ones from K&C, Figarti, CS, TGM but they are not 1:32 scale and would be too large to go with 1:32 scale AFVs much like K&C figures at 1:28 scale are overlarge for their 1:30 AFVs

While the FL and K&C figures are not compatible, the FL figures will go with any 1:30 AFV. And for the "K&C oversize look", their figures can be used with any 1:30 AFV including FL

Terry

 

[Rob]

Excellent post Terry, thanks for posting. As a collector not a Tank expert I've always thought FL figs far to small to go with any other producer, their AFV's however are much closer in scale. I think apart from the odd social retard we are all adult enough to say what we like and don't like. I like FL's AFV's but not the figures so much,(I do like their Roman and ACW figures) Figarti's AFVs have always been great and their figures are improving. Your post and that of others is very interesting Terry and it's good to get the views of well balanced people who have no agenda but just offer objective reasoning. Thanks again to all.

Cheers

Rob

 

[jazzeum]

Around the beginning of this year, I posted some photos in a thread showing one of Figarti's Russian Stalin tanks with some FL Stalingrad figures and they went very well together. As a matter of fact the Figarti figures looked quite oversized. I remember Frank and Terry agreeing that they seemed a good match. The photos were buried in some thread, otherwise I would try to bring the thread back.

 

[Firebat]

I forgot who suggested I compare the 1/32 scale Figarti Tiger to the K&C Winter Tiger ( Not the Snow Tiger).....Well I did....WOW...Thanks for the heads up, they are just about the same size, with the Figarti Tiger being just a tick smaller. I will now add the K&C Winter Tiger to the "Use with FL" list. By the way the new SNOW tiger is bigger. Thanks Alex

 

[Vezzolf]

The photo compares 2 FL figures and 2 K&C figures to a K&C 1:30 scale Tiger tank. All 4 figures are advertised by the manufacturers as 1:30 but they are clearly not the same size - The K&C figures are taller and bulkier - proportionately larger in all aspects.

The tank has been placed on a base to equal the thickness of the bases on the figures.

The top of the FL figures comes to the deck height of the Tiger Tank - about where Frank's head was in a photo of him next to a Tiger. Also where the top of soldiers came to against a Tiger in photos from WWII. The Tiger was measured at 1:30 so the FL figures must be about 1:30. The K&C figures are clearly larger, about 1:28.

While there is some variation in the size of people, it is possible to measure an AFV and accurately calculate it's scale. Then figures can be placed next to the AFV and using compaison photos from WWII, it is easy to determine what the actual scale of the figure is.


The FL figures are smaller than ones from K&C, Figarti, CS, TGM but they are not 1:32 scale and would be too large to go with 1:32 scale AFVs much like K&C figures at 1:28 scale are overlarge for their 1:30 AFVs

While the FL and K&C figures are not compatible, the FL figures will go with any 1:30 AFV. And for the "K&C oversize look", their figures can be used with any 1:30 AFV including FL

Terry

Good Analysis...Well explained

 

[fmethorst]

Around the beginning of this year, I posted some photos in a thread showing one of Figarti's Russian Stalin tanks with some FL Stalingrad figures and they went very well together. As a matter of fact the Figarti figures looked quite oversized. I remember Frank and Terry agreeing that they seemed a good match. The photos were buried in some thread, otherwise I would try to bring the thread back.

Is this the one you are referring to Brad?

http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/forum/showthread.php?22788-First-Legion-amp-Figarti

 

[Vezzolf]

I don't think anyone is claiming the FL figures are similar in size to K&C or the other manufacturers who have chosen to match K&C. I think the contention comes when people insist that figure X is 1:30 scale (because it's advertised as such) when it is demonstratably not. This figure is then taken as a reference frame for measuring scale. If a vehicle looks too big or too small then the vehicle must be over or under scale. Same thing when comparing figures. This leads to claims of vehicles and figures being the incorrect scale when in fact it's the tool being used that is incorrect.

Well said....Good point....produce what you claim you're producing 1:30 or 1:28th.... but be consistent

 

[jazzeum]

Is this the one you are referring to Brad?

http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/forum/showthread.php?22788-First-Legion-amp-Figarti

Frank, that's it and thanks for finding. If you go to post 13, where I had posted some better photos, you'll see how the Figarti tank worked expertly with FL figures (great figures too while I'm at it).

Regards,

Brad

 

[Firebat]

FIGARTI 1/32 TIGER

 

[joesgis]

Nice pics, thank you. They compliment each other quite nicely and appear to go together very well. I think we have a definitive answer for Sammy.

Edit: I kinda forgot Sammy's original question....and that was how well do FL vehicles and Figarti vehicles go together. So for that answer, I guess we will have to hope for other comparison pics from anyone who owns both brands of AFV's. But in terms of how well do FL's figures go w/ Figarti's 1/32 Tigers....I think it's safe to say from Firebat's very nice pics that they work together quite acceptably well.

 

[Vezzolf]

FIGARTI 1/32 TIGER

I have used these together...and "they work to a point"....Not right on but OK......however the scale/size of the Figarti 1:32 Tiger and the scale/size of the 1:30th FL Stug and PanzerIII are not compatible....Clearly the Figarti 1:32 scale Tiger is too small for the 1:30th FL PanzerIII....First Legion Stalingrad figures are 1:30th definitely......SO......... Draw your own conclusions^&confuse^&confuse

 

[fmethorst]

Is it just me or does that Tiger look like it's two different scales? The chassis looks to be ~1:30 while the turret looks smaller. There's something strange going on with proportions.

 

[jazzeum]

I wonder how one of the FL figures would look next to the new Figarti Tiger.

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I forgot who suggested I compare the 1/32 scale Figarti Tiger to the K&C Winter Tiger ( Not the Snow Tiger).....Well I did....WOW...Thanks for the heads up, they are just about the same size, with the Figarti Tiger being just a tick smaller. I will now add the K&C Winter Tiger to the "Use with FL" list. By the way the new SNOW tiger is bigger. Thanks Alex

I think that was me - I used to display the Figarti 1:32 Tiger and K&C Wittmann Tiger together and they were virtually the same size length and width. I don'trecall if they were the same height. And the K&C Winter Tiger is identical in size to the Wittmann Tiger.

I'm surprised the FL figure looks as good as it does next to the Figarti 1:32 Tiger. I thought the figure would look too big like a 1:28 K&C figure next to a 1:30 AFV. Yet the 1:32 Figarti is clearly smaller than a 1:30 Tiger???

Terry

 

[Blowtorch]

I forgot who suggested I compare the 1/32 scale Figarti Tiger to the K&C Winter Tiger ( Not the Snow Tiger).....Well I did....WOW...Thanks for the heads up, they are just about the same size, with the Figarti Tiger being just a tick smaller. I will now add the K&C Winter Tiger to the "Use with FL" list. By the way the new SNOW tiger is bigger. Thanks Alex

If that's the scale you want, the last K&C Wittman Tiger, it's brother the Winter Tiger as you mention, and the NMA Tigers were all made with those dimensions. Also, the K&C DAK PzIVG was of smaller stature, probably 1/32. Also likely the first two K&C King Tigers (Porsche)

 

[uksubs]

I have used these together...and "they work to a point"....Not right on but OK......however the scale/size of the Figarti 1:32 Tiger and the scale/size of the 1:30th FL Stug and PanzerIII are not compatible....Clearly the Figarti 1:32 scale Tiger is too small for the 1:30th FL PanzerIII....First Legion Stalingrad figures are 1:30th definitely......SO......... Draw your own conclusions^&confuse^&confuse

But that would not be a problem with Figarti new Tiger tank witch is 1/30 scale :rolleyes2:

 

[Phantom Warrior]

I think that was me - I used to display the Figarti 1:32 Tiger and K&C Wittmann Tiger together and they were virtually the same size length and width. I don'trecall if they were the same height. And the K&C Winter Tiger is identical in size to the Wittmann Tiger.

I'm surprised the FL figure looks as good as it does next to the Figarti 1:32 Tiger. I thought the figure would look too big like a 1:28 K&C figure next to a 1:30 AFV. Yet the 1:32 Figarti is clearly smaller than a 1:30 Tiger???

Terry

I think I found what was causing the confusion about why a FL figure looks correct next to a 1:32 scale Figarti Tiger but the Tiger matches up exactly with the K&C Winter Tiger for length and width and is much smaller than the 1:30 K&C Tigers. The Figarti and K&C Winter Tiger both measure out to 1:32 for length and width but placing the tanks side by side shows the deck of the Figarti is slightly higher and measures at 1:30. The K&C Tiger is a 1 piece hull made to a scale but the Figarti comes apart with the hull deck and sides lifting off the chassis so the fit affects the height. That is why the 1:32 Figarti matches 1:32 K&C Tigers for length and width but allows a FL figure look the correct height beside the Figarti as if it was at 1:30 scale because it is.

Terry