Have no idea what right size is anymore! (1 Viewer)

[Mitch]

Full circle as we have somewhat moved on. the issue, clearly here was that some of the CS releases are 1/30th and some are 1/28th. Many collectors myself and Michal included can notice this and, measurements don't add up whatever the explanation is that's given.

CS need I suppose to decide really once and for all where they stand on the scale and size issue and what it is and, stick with it. Its been with them since they began in the hobby where they made larger figures, collectors noted this wanted them in line with K&C and, this was changed with the DAK range. Its interesting though to note the scale differences even in that range existed between the 88mm gun and, the Panzer I and kettenkraftrad.

There were other issues including the release of the first Tiger variants which, IMO were rather closer to 1/30th than even Brian accepted and, sadly, it has continued and, with the next Tiger where allsorts of explanations were given as to its accuracy at 1/30th scale. This was not the case and, many collectors noted that.

Its not a dig raising these points its also not a dig at the paint style and detail that's different this is about a product that I have collected from nigh enough day one, still collect in terms of LAH that has been linked with scale issues from day one.

Its not about industry compatibility for me as there are so many different paint and personal styles within each manufacturer that are really a individuals taste but, knowing that within one range all AFV's and artillery will be the same scale.

The rest is just nonsense and rattle throwing from the pram and, whilst I opine about what I don't like I would say that even if I don't like a range I can still see what attracts others to it and don't think any of the stuff in the hobby is junk, overpriced or, otherwise,
Mitch

 

[Vezzolf]

All some very good points by all of us....a very good and civil discussion....as stated by jager7080 I also am not willing to discard parts of my WWII collection simply because they are 1:28th scale. That said I would like to have someone/anyone produce good quality 1:28th scale AFV's to go with my 1:28th scale WWII figures. If CS is going 1:28th AFV, good for them, because it will actually help those fellows who have sizeable collections of 1:28th scale figures. It fills the gap for those guys who want scale consistency in 1:28th.....As I see it CS will work well with KC figures if they go this route; maybe that is their plan....At least CS will be making 1:28th AFV's to go with their own 1:28th scale figures and that is a "GOOD MOVE" consistent within their own product line.....K/C is unlikely to change their game plan of 1:30th AFV's and 1:28th scale figures......All this is only one of the many reasons I have moved my collection direction towards FL and Figarti....They are 1:30th....Best Regards to all you guys.....Enjoy your collections whatever your preferences.

 

[Firebat]

No offense taken as beauty is in the eye of the beholder :smile2:

I understand your perspective but isnt it posssible that manufacturers may not want compatability or equivalence. After all they want you to buy their products, not a competitor's. if there is equivalence you could match as you please. I think you probably find this in other industries. Let's not forget this is a business first and foremost.

That is very possible, especially in regards to King and Country, their followers seem to like the bigger figure smaller AFV concept.

It is funny how one thinks though...... I was getting rid of all of my K&C for that reason, then CS made the bigger vehicles which were a good scale match so I kept some of my K&C figures and I am dumping most of my K&C AFV's. So that K&C concept increased my CS purchases. .........And on and on and on. Alex

 

[Rob]

Funny how we all look at things differently, must say scale has never been an issue for me really. The day I walked into the Soldier show in London and first saw Toy Army Workshop the scale was of no importance whatever, it was the quality, variation and look that attracted me and I went on to build a large collection of it. The exact same thing happened with K&C , I never asked what scale they were I just knew I wanted to collect them. Its not been a problem for me in that Figarti AFV's also go very nicely indeed. The same must be said of Britain's and FL's ACW figures. I like them very much and know one day I'll push the button , but scale will not be an issue because once again they will be stand alone collections. (even though my good friend Bob has shown the forum just how you can mix scales with stunning results).

It must be one of the most argued about subjects on this forum, but one of the few I don't really dip my toe into so to speak.

Rob

 

[Mitch]

I think we have seen on the forum of recent members actually mixing figures and AFV's from FL, K&C and others and, many stating they looked fine. There is no real problem in that for many.

I have to say though Alex ''followers'' may not be the best term collectors would have been better and, it seems to imply that somehow K&C collectors are somehow easier to please as they accept different scale figures to AFV's as compared to what the somehow enlightened few that don't.

I am not asking for a reply but, when we are talking purely about scale its seems that words can be misconstrued. Especially when this was not about K&C and most of your comments were about K&C and FL. I accept the position of the hobby and that it won't likely change much but, that does not mean I am a follower!!
Mitch

 

[Firebat]

I think we have seen on the forum of recent members actually mixing figures and AFV's from FL, K&C and others and, many stating they looked fine. There is no real problem in that for many.

I have to say though Alex ''followers'' may not be the best term collectors would have been better and, it seems to imply that somehow K&C collectors are somehow easier to please as they accept different scale figures to AFV's as compared to what the somehow enlightened few that don't.

I am not asking for a reply but, when we are talking purely about scale its seems that words can be misconstrued. Especially when this was not about K&C and most of your comments were about K&C and FL. I accept the position of the hobby and that it won't likely change much but, that does not mean I am a follower!!
Mitch

K&C is the biggest most popular manufacturer with a winning combination and a huge following, they will not and dont need to change anything. Their followers I would say tend to be more traditional collectors.


There is a new faction in this hobby of those who are not particularly interested in collecting, we want more of a....... for lack of a better word " Scale Replica " So we support manufacturers who appeal to what we are interested in.

I applaud CS for trying their method of making bigger vehicles and they are getting a LOT of my dollars and therefore I kept some K&C figures to match with them. Figarti appears to be shrinking, and working with FL. TGM is already smaller and appear to be working with FL as are Jenkins Panzers.

As you can now see I mentioned all of the prominent manufacturers and my thoughts on them in this CS thread.

Now watch the backlash as I further mention the sacred K&C. They are not currently fitting into my plans, because other manufacturers are appealing more to my tastes. I have a lot of K&C pieces I love but they are being sold to support the manufacturers who are doing what I think is the right thing for ME.

Here are some of my favorite matchups.

TGM Figures / CS AFV's In my opinion the best mainstream figures with the only 1/28th AFV's

FL Figures / Figarti AFV's The two most highly detailed manufacturers. I cant afford FL AFV's

And I am curently testing FL Figures with TGM AFV's

That is how I am addressing the scale thing.

So if no manufacturer addersses the scale issue NP, I can deal with it, but mark my words I think it will happen.

Alex

 

[TomNT]

Funny how we all look at things differently, must say scale has never been an issue for me really. The day I walked into the Soldier show in London and first saw Toy Army Workshop the scale was of no importance whatever, it was the quality, variation and look that attracted me and I went on to build a large collection of it. The exact same thing happened with K&C , I never asked what scale they were I just knew I wanted to collect them. Its not been a problem for me in that Figarti AFV's also go very nicely indeed. The same must be said of Britain's and FL's ACW figures. I like them very much and know one day I'll push the button , but scale will not be an issue because once again they will be stand alone collections. (even though my good friend Bob has shown the forum just how you can mix scales with stunning results).

It must be one of the most argued about subjects on this forum, but one of the few I don't really dip my toe into so to speak.

Rob

I agree Rob and for me it's not just the quality and look of the figures and vehicles, but also the paint schemes and detail on them. Scale can sometimes be annoying but i think the biggest issue on different brands working well together is the different paint schemes from each manufacturer with the exception of WW2 TG and K&C, some Figarti vehicles and K&C vehicles and Figarti and FL (DAK and maybe grey vehicles, dunno about the figures) which work well together. The only CS vehicle that i think works well with my K&C German Normandy collection (paint scheme wise) is my CS Normandy Hanomag halftrack.

Tom

 

[Firebat]

I agree Rob and for me it's not just the quality and look of the figures and vehicles, but also the paint schemes and detail on them. Scale can sometimes be annoying but i think the biggest issue on different brands working well together is the different paint schemes from each manufacturer with the exception of WW2 TG and K&C, some Figarti vehicles and K&C vehicles and Figarti and FL (DAK and maybe grey vehicles, dunno about the figures) which work well together. The only CS vehicle that i think works well with my K&C German Normandy collection (paint scheme wise) is my CS Normandy Hanomag halftrack.

Tom

Good point....................I failed to mention in my matchups I am weathering to blend various manufacturers which works well. Most true collectors would not do that and that is why there is a new aspect to this hobby growing, but there is room for all of us.

These K&C guys are weathered

Alex

 

[Rob]

I agree Rob and for me it's not just the quality and look of the figures and vehicles, but also the paint schemes and detail on them. Scale can sometimes be annoying but i think the biggest issue on different brands working well together is the different paint schemes from each manufacturer with the exception of WW2 TG and K&C, some Figarti vehicles and K&C vehicles and Figarti and FL (DAK and maybe grey vehicles, dunno about the figures) which work well together. The only CS vehicle that i think works well with my K&C German Normandy collection (paint scheme wise) is my CS Normandy Hanomag halftrack.

Tom

Good points Tom. I used this CS Panther in my dio and think it works ok, its all about how you place them in scenes I guess.

 

[TomNT]

Good points Tom. I used this CS Panther in my dio and think it works ok, its all about how you place them in scenes I guess.

Agreed Rob, that CS Panther works very well with your K&C figures and vehicles but i think it only does so because you repainted it in a different colour which kinda illustrates my point.

Tom

 

[TomNT]

Good point....................I failed to mention in my matchups I am weathering to blend various manufacturers which works well. Most true collectors would not do that and that is why there is a new aspect to this hobby growing, but there is room for all of us.

These K&C guys are weathered

Alex

Yes i agree, the weathering can help to match up some stuff i guess.

Tom

 

[Rob]

Agreed Rob, that CS Panther works very well with your K&C figures and vehicles but i think it only does so because you repainted it in a different colour which kinda illustrates my point.

Tom

Tom, yes I agree, the colours were quite bright , no problem with that now!{eek3} (must say it felt like a crime ' blacking up' a perfectly good tank)

Rob

 

[Mitch]

the CS panther would have worked in that scene without blackening it up as its only with another manufacturers figures. Its only when you use another manufacturers AFV's would you notice a paint style difference. If there were two panthers and one was noticeably different in size then it would fit into the scale issue this thread was about
Mitch

Agreed Rob, that CS Panther works very well with your K&C figures and vehicles but i think it only does so because you repainted it in a different colour which kinda illustrates my point.

Tom

 

[TomNT]

Tom, yes I agree, the colours were quite bright , no problem with that now!{eek3} (must say it felt like a crime ' blacking up' a perfectly good tank)

Rob

Yes, you are a bad boy, just don't do it again ok....:wink2:^&grin

Tom

 

[TomNT]

the CS panther would have worked in that scene without blackening it up as its only with another manufacturers figures. Its only when you use another manufacturers AFV's would you notice a paint style difference. If there were two panthers and one was noticeably different in size then it would fit into the scale issue this thread was about
Mitch

Yes that's true, i should have worded my post differently, but if that tank wasn't "burnt out" and it was K&C German armour passing by, then i think they wouldn't work well together.

Tom

 

[Rob]

Yes, you are a bad boy, just don't do it again ok....:wink2:^&grin

Tom

^&grin

Can't promise mate, can't promise!:wink2:^&grin

Rob

 

[Rob]

Yes that's true, i should have worded my post differently, but if that tank wasn't "burnt out" and it was K&C German armour passing by, then i think they wouldn't work well together.

Tom

Spot on Tom, it would not have worked as it was a tad bright and therefore too dominant in the scene, as you said it was the burnt out look that made the diff.

Rob

 

[Vezzolf]

K&C is the biggest most popular manufacturer with a winning combination and a huge following, they will not and dont need to change anything. Their followers I would say tend to be more traditional collectors.


There is a new faction in this hobby of those who are not particularly interested in collecting, we want more of a....... for lack of a better word " Scale Replica " So we support manufacturers who appeal to what we are interested in.

I applaud CS for trying their method of making bigger vehicles and they are getting a LOT of my dollars and therefore I kept some K&C figures to match with them. Figarti appears to be shrinking, and working with FL. TGM is already smaller and appear to be working with FL as are Jenkins Panzers.

As you can now see I mentioned all of the prominent manufacturers and my thoughts on them in this CS thread.

Now watch the backlash as I further mention the sacred K&C. They are not currently fitting into my plans, because other manufacturers are appealing more to my tastes. I have a lot of K&C pieces I love but they are being sold to support the manufacturers who are doing what I think is the right thing for ME.

Here are some of my favorite matchups.

TGM Figures / CS AFV's In my opinion the best mainstream figures with the only 1/28th AFV's

FL Figures / Figarti AFV's The two most highly detailed manufacturers. I cant afford FL AFV's

And I am curently testing FL Figures with TGM AFV's

That is how I am addressing the scale thing.

So if no manufacturer addersses the scale issue NP, I can deal with it, but mark my words I think it will happen.

Alex

Great Post.....Very logical regarding your match up of manufacturers....I agree we may very well see it happen. It has already occurred with FL and Figarti.....I think that we will "eventually' see K/C gradually and silently increasing the size of AFV's.... With all the increased competition it is likely that certain toy soldiers companies will adjust their products off the record to go with other products. These days there are no "Sacred Cows"

 

[Mitch]

Tom..

exactly, size and paint style would mean for most they would not want to mix them in that way
Mitch

Yes that's true, i should have worded my post differently, but if that tank wasn't "burnt out" and it was K&C German armour passing by, then i think they wouldn't work well together.

Tom

 

[Firebat]

Great Post.....Very logical regarding your match up of manufacturers....I agree we may very well see it happen. It has already occurred with FL and Figarti.....I think that we will "eventually' see K/C gradually and silently increasing the size of AFV's.... With all the increased competition it is likely that certain toy soldiers companies will adjust their products off the record to go with other products. These days there are no "Sacred Cows"

:smile2: :wink2: Let me say no more.