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Ok, least my weekend sports debacle ended positively. Big Ben, clutch 4th qtr game winning drive, Steelers pull it out. THe only question is why did it end up this close...............answer........kicking FG's doesn't win a game when your defense is not lockdown. ON that note - Troy P. and Lamar W. out yet again............

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Skins lost but the Ravens eeked out a win, so I split this weekend. -- Al
 
I'm afraid you may be right. Boy, things sure went bad, fast. -- Al

Yes, it's too bad. Os were very close to getting that hit they needed but just couldn't break through. Might have changed everything.
 
Drew Brees threw a Td pass last night that broke a 52 year old record formally held by John Unitas. Unitas held the record for Td passes thrown in consequtive games at 47. Brees hit 48 and will now probably push the record even further. When Unitas retired after the 1973 season he held about every major passing record the NFL had. The records, as records do, fell one by one over the years. The consequtive game streak of 47 was thought by many to be unassailable, like Joe D's 56 game hitting streak. Well, nothing is forever, especially in sports. I am sorry to see the record fall, but that is sports. Unitas started his streak on 12-9-56 and it ended on 12-11-60, a period encompassing part of or all of 5 seasons. During the streak, Unitas threw 102 Td's and led his team to a 31-16 record. During the streak, but not included in it, the Baltimore Colts won 2 NFL Championships, including the seminal game in NFL history, the 1958 Sudden Death classic. Unitas' name is now gone from the top place in the NFL record books but that is ok. He made the game what it is today and that cannot be replaced or forgotten. Congratulations to Brees and the Saints. It is quite an accomplishment. How far will Brees push the new record and how long will it last? Not possible to say as records are usually fleeting. Unitas' stood for 52 years. I don't think the Brees record will. How can it? As I write this, Tom Brady is building his own streak, which stands at 37 games. Don't look over your shoulder Drew. -- Al
 
Drew Brees threw a Td pass last night that broke a 52 year old record formally held by John Unitas. Unitas held the record for Td passes thrown in consequtive games at 47. Brees hit 48 and will now probably push the record even further. When Unitas retired after the 1973 season he held about every major passing record the NFL had. The records, as records do, fell one by one over the years. The consequtive game streak of 47 was thought by many to be unassailable, like Joe D's 56 game hitting streak. Well, nothing is forever, especially in sports. I am sorry to see the record fall, but that is sports. Unitas started his streak on 12-9-56 and it ended on 12-11-60, a period encompassing part of or all of 5 seasons. During the streak, Unitas threw 102 Td's and led his team to a 31-16 record. During the streak, but not included in it, the Baltimore Colts won 2 NFL Championships, including the seminal game in NFL history, the 1958 Sudden Death classic. Unitas' name is now gone from the top place in the NFL record books but that is ok. He made the game what it is today and that cannot be replaced or forgotten. Congratulations to Brees and the Saints. It is quite an accomplishment. How far will Brees push the new record and how long will it last? Not possible to say as records are usually fleeting. Unitas' stood for 52 years. I don't think the Brees record will. How can it? As I write this, Tom Brady is building his own streak, which stands at 37 games. Don't look over your shoulder Drew. -- Al

Very good assessment of the record AL. Unitas will always be a football immortal. I was lucky to see him play in the late 60s at Memorial stadium. RIP Johnny U. Chris
 
Drew Brees threw a Td pass last night that broke a 52 year old record formally held by John Unitas. Unitas held the record for Td passes thrown in consequtive games at 47. Brees hit 48 and will now probably push the record even further. When Unitas retired after the 1973 season he held about every major passing record the NFL had. The records, as records do, fell one by one over the years. The consequtive game streak of 47 was thought by many to be unassailable, like Joe D's 56 game hitting streak. Well, nothing is forever, especially in sports. I am sorry to see the record fall, but that is sports. Unitas started his streak on 12-9-56 and it ended on 12-11-60, a period encompassing part of or all of 5 seasons. During the streak, Unitas threw 102 Td's and led his team to a 31-16 record. During the streak, but not included in it, the Baltimore Colts won 2 NFL Championships, including the seminal game in NFL history, the 1958 Sudden Death classic. Unitas' name is now gone from the top place in the NFL record books but that is ok. He made the game what it is today and that cannot be replaced or forgotten. Congratulations to Brees and the Saints. It is quite an accomplishment. How far will Brees push the new record and how long will it last? Not possible to say as records are usually fleeting. Unitas' stood for 52 years. I don't think the Brees record will. How can it? As I write this, Tom Brady is building his own streak, which stands at 37 games. Don't look over your shoulder Drew. -- Al

Well put Al; I know records are made to be broken as they say, but I was sad to see this one broken.

Unitas is a legend, I'd say the greatest of all time, he created that record in a league that was run first, pass second, which is even more remarkable and in todays pass happy football where scoring is the emphasis, it was much easier to do.

I wish this one had never been broken, but it is what it is..........
 
Chris, George, thanks for the kind words. I was heartbroken to see the record broken, but have been watching Brees approach it and sort of knew he would catch and pass Johnny U. Unitas has always been and always will be my favorite sports hero. He was the best, plain and simple. Everyone who enjoys the NFL today should thank him. -- Al
 
Well put Al; I know records are made to be broken as they say, but I was sad to see this one broken.

Unitas is a legend, I'd say the greatest of all time, he created that record in a league that was run first, pass second, which is even more remarkable and in todays pass happy football where scoring is the emphasis, it was much easier to do.

I wish this one had never been broken, but it is what it is..........

I kind of look at this record the way I look at different eras in baseball (ignoring the steroid issue) . . . its a different league, with different rules, that Unitas would not recognize. When Unitas, arguable the greatest of all time, was setting this record, defensive backs could hit receivers at any time while they were going down the field, making timing patterns virtually impossible. Defensive linemen were hitting quarterbacks in the head, below the knees, and anywhere else they could, as hard as they could. A receiver coming across the middle of the field took his life in his hands. In today's watered down version of football, with the dramatic rule changes concerning "defenseless receivers", hitting quaterbacks below the knees and above the shoulders, and the 5 yard chuck rule, the fact that it took this long to break the record is a testament to Unitas' greatness.

Think about the list of all-time great quarterbacks that could not break this record, even as the rules were changed more and more to favor passing: Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rogers. It took Drew Brees, playing in a dome (another dramatic change in the modern game, weather controlled domes), to finally eclipse Unitas. Well, as far as I'm concerned (and this is taking nothing away from Brees, who is a fantastic QB) there are two records: Unitas still holds the record under the real rules of football is it was intended to be played, Brees holds the record under the "modern" rules of football.
 
I kind of look at this record the way I look at different eras in baseball (ignoring the steroid issue) . . . its a different league, with different rules, that Unitas would not recognize. When Unitas, arguable the greatest of all time, was setting this record, defensive backs could hit receivers at any time while they were going down the field, making timing patterns virtually impossible. Defensive linemen were hitting quarterbacks in the head, below the knees, and anywhere else they could, as hard as they could. A receiver coming across the middle of the field took his life in his hands. In today's watered down version of football, with the dramatic rule changes concerning "defenseless receivers", hitting quaterbacks below the knees and above the shoulders, and the 5 yard chuck rule, the fact that it took this long to break the record is a testament to Unitas' greatness.

Think about the list of all-time great quarterbacks that could not break this record, even as the rules were changed more and more to favor passing: Joe Montana, Dan Marino, Steve Young, Troy Aikman, Brett Favre, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rogers. It took Drew Brees, playing in a dome (another dramatic change in the modern game, weather controlled domes), to finally eclipse Unitas. Well, as far as I'm concerned (and this is taking nothing away from Brees, who is a fantastic QB) there are two records: Unitas still holds the record under the real rules of football is it was intended to be played, Brees holds the record under the "modern" rules of football.
All true, Louis. And Maris is still the single season HR champ as far as I am concerned. The M&M boys drew me to baseball as an 8 year old and Unitas drew me in as a football fan (with a nod towards Roger Staubach at Navy). All back when men were men, no steroids, no flag football rules. -- Al
 
All true, Louis. And Maris is still the single season HR champ as far as I am concerned. The M&M boys drew me to baseball as an 8 year old and Unitas drew me in as a football fan (with a nod towards Roger Staubach at Navy). All back when men were men, no steroids, no flag football rules. -- Al

I was thinking about the single season and all time homerun records when I drafted that post, but I didn't want to taint Brees by association with the baseball cheats.
 
Well put Al; I know records are made to be broken as they say, but I was sad to see this one broken.

Unitas is a legend, I'd say the greatest of all time, he created that record in a league that was run first, pass second, which is even more remarkable and in todays pass happy football where scoring is the emphasis, it was much easier to do.

I wish this one had never been broken, but it is what it is..........

I read this thread with interest but try not to comment as im not a NFL expert love the game tho,but this one confuses me.................^&confuse
Isn't that the point to score the most and win..............^&confuse
 
I read this thread with interest but try not to comment as im not a NFL expert love the game tho,but this one confuses me.................^&confuse
Isn't that the point to score the most and win..............^&confuse
Yes, the point is to score the most points and win. But some of us have an appreciation for what used to be called defense and the older style offensive football where running plays actually played a strategic part of the game. Since the passing rules have been so opened up and defenses handicapped so much by the offensive happy rules makers, scores have gotten ridiculous. There is hardly any running or defense in evidence for many of the teams anymore so the game actually becomes more one dimensional and less interesting. Of course this just my opinion, and I would guess most fans today like the wide open 50-60 passes a game by their team. I just believe the game has lost something in terms of interest and the 'grittiness' that the running games and defense used to bring to the strategic side of the game. -- Al
 
Yes, the point is to score the most points and win. But some of us have an appreciation for what used to be called defense and the older style offensive football where running plays actually played a strategic part of the game. Since the passing rules have been so opened up and defenses handicapped so much by the offensive happy rules makers, scores have gotten ridiculous. There is hardly any running or defense in evidence for many of the teams anymore so the game actually becomes more one dimensional and less interesting. Of course this just my opinion, and I would guess most fans today like the wide open 50-60 passes a game by their team. I just believe the game has lost something in terms of interest and the 'grittiness' that the running games and defense used to bring to the strategic side of the game. -- Al

I fully agree, teams today can't begin to play like the teams of the sixtys, and how many of these prima donna players could have existed with LOMBARDI?????
 
Yes, the point is to score the most points and win. But some of us have an appreciation for what used to be called defense and the older style offensive football where running plays actually played a strategic part of the game. Since the passing rules have been so opened up and defenses handicapped so much by the offensive happy rules makers, scores have gotten ridiculous. There is hardly any running or defense in evidence for many of the teams anymore so the game actually becomes more one dimensional and less interesting. Of course this just my opinion, and I would guess most fans today like the wide open 50-60 passes a game by their team. I just believe the game has lost something in terms of interest and the 'grittiness' that the running games and defense used to bring to the strategic side of the game. -- Al

This is exactly my point, as usual Al is spot on.

The wide open pass happy current day NFL bores me to tears, if you want a high scoring game with zero defense, watch the Arena league...................
 
I watched the Monday nite game and just have to wonder what is it going to take for the Jets to give Tebow a fighting chance to help this team:confused: when he does come in 3-4 plays a game he usually does pretty good and you can see he brings some spirit and fight to his team mates when he does, the man proved in Denver he can win, maybe ugly sometimes but give me a guy that puts his heart in every play and I'll take those odds, Sanchez is a joke, I waited for his usual sack, fumbles/interceptions to help lose the game, as I was pulling for them big time to beat Houston!! anyway I just think old Rex needs to give Tebow more then 3 plays a game...Sammy
 
Starting this Sunday, the Giants (3-2) face the toughest stretch of their schedule: they play the 49ers, the Red Skins, the Cowboys, the Steelers and the Bengals. If the Giants are able to go 3-2 in this stretch, and sit at 6-4 entering the final 6 games, I think they have a reasonabe chance at going 10-6 and winning the NFC East. I suspect they will go 2-3 (starting with a loss this week in San Francisco).
 
Thanks Al but we can't live in the past,as i was taught in the ARMY offense is the best means of defense.
Well done to Bree,s as well records are made to be broken.
 
I agree with Al. The balance between offense and defense has shifted in favor of the offense. One reason this could be is the desire of the NFL to cut down on the violent nature of the game, thereby reducing medical costs and litigation risk.
 

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