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I’m just happy that Jerry Reese, the really big problem, is history, as is McAdoo, who has not handled the situation well at all. This Franchise needs to get a GM who drafts effectively to use the very high pick they get in the coming draft effectively, and hire a qualified and effective head coach. If the 20+ players on IR come back healthy next season, a good GM drafts and uses free agency effectively, the Giants could bounce back quickly. Otherwise, as George says, we could be a franchise in the toilet. I think firing those bozos now was a good move, because the Giants can start interviewing the best GM candidates before the end of the season, and ahead of everyone else. I just hope the next GM is closer to George Young than this last bozo!
 
Ernie Acorsi is leading the GM search. The search is in good hands as he developed the team that beat the Patriots (but had retired before then).

The move to look at another QB wasn’t wrong, just the wrong QB. At this point it might be better for everyone if Manning moves on. I firmly believe that you should change players a year too early than a year too late.
 
George,
All due respect, in seriousness, I am not sure that Ju Ju's block was a true crackback, it happened downfield during the course of a play, it was not designed that way as most illegal crack backs are and that is what they sought to outlaw. Ju Ju end of day hit him too high, it happens, the taunting I agree was stupid and irresponsible. I am just not sure that in my mind I can equate what he did during a play with what Gronk did. I like Gronk, but that was a cheap, terrible move and long after a play. He lost it for a second and delivered literally a "pro wrestling" finishing move.

My point is that if a suspension is the norm, fine, but IMO the two incidents were very different. I personally think Ju Ju deserved 2 fines - one for violating the rules for hitting someone high, 2 for the ridiculous idiotic taunting, with the taunting fine being handed down by the Steelers, that was just stupid and classless. His hit though was in the course of the play and he ended up too high, I don't think that was designed or intentional, I think it was an opportunistic block. As to the Bengals safety's hit, yes, he hit Brown in the head, but I understand why he did it. Safetys lose their jobs when opposing receivers hang onto to touchdowns, like it or not, dangerous or not, his job is to separate the ball from Brown. I bet there are a lot of safetys who would gladly take 15 yards, fine and suspension to separate receivers from the ball. It is not right, but I think its a reality!

Again, just my points, not arguments in any way and I really do like Gronk as a player. End of day, it is a game for the amusement of others, Steelers, win or lose, should be an exciting end to the season!
TD
 
George,
All due respect, in seriousness, I am not sure that Ju Ju's block was a true crackback, it happened downfield during the course of a play, it was not designed that way as most illegal crack backs are and that is what they sought to outlaw. Ju Ju end of day hit him too high, it happens, the taunting I agree was stupid and irresponsible. I am just not sure that in my mind I can equate what he did during a play with what Gronk did. I like Gronk, but that was a cheap, terrible move and long after a play. He lost it for a second and delivered literally a "pro wrestling" finishing move.

My point is that if a suspension is the norm, fine, but IMO the two incidents were very different. I personally think Ju Ju deserved 2 fines - one for violating the rules for hitting someone high, 2 for the ridiculous idiotic taunting, with the taunting fine being handed down by the Steelers, that was just stupid and classless. His hit though was in the course of the play and he ended up too high, I don't think that was designed or intentional, I think it was an opportunistic block. As to the Bengals safety's hit, yes, he hit Brown in the head, but I understand why he did it. Safetys lose their jobs when opposing receivers hang onto to touchdowns, like it or not, dangerous or not, his job is to separate the ball from Brown. I bet there are a lot of safetys who would gladly take 15 yards, fine and suspension to separate receivers from the ball. It is not right, but I think its a reality!

Again, just my points, not arguments in any way and I really do like Gronk as a player. End of day, it is a game for the amusement of others, Steelers, win or lose, should be an exciting end to the season!
TD

The real problem with all of this is the league is now keen on player safety, something they should have been keen on a long time ago and as a result, any vicious hit/block/tackle/sack is going to result in fines and suspensions.

Most of the hits in todays game would have been fine ten years ago; the problem is it's not 10 years ago.

The league is at the point with this where they are basically legislating out of the league what attracted a lot of people to the league; the violence.

Remember that foolish segment ESPN used to run "JACKED UP!!" where they glorified violent hits?

Nothing glorious about it.
 
The real problem with all of this is the league is now keen on player safety, something they should have been keen on a long time ago and as a result, any vicious hit/block/tackle/sack is going to result in fines and suspensions.

Most of the hits in todays game would have been fine ten years ago; the problem is it's not 10 years ago.

The league is at the point with this where they are basically legislating out of the league what attracted a lot of people to the league; the violence.

Remember that foolish segment ESPN used to run "JACKED UP!!" where they glorified violent hits?

Nothing glorious about it.

If the owners were truly interested in reducing injuries, then they would go back to a shorter 14-game schedule and eliminate all those idiotic preseason games. Fewer games means less toll on the bodies. But profit trumps everything. Fining a NFL player who is making millions has zero impact.
 
I'm kind of questioning the player's commitment to surviving their profession without permanent brain damage...everybody complains about the violence and long term damage of the game...but it's the players acting out over and over again...

I don't blame the NFL or the owners...

I mean...the NFL makes the rules...the players know the rules...still they lay these overzealous hits on their opponents...knowing the damage they can do....and then drop to a knee in prayer afterwards...

so who do you blame...

I know it's a physical heated game...and sometimes things get out of hand...so that sets tempers off...but when you knowingly lay a slobberknocker on a defenseless guy...even if the hit ends up a little high or legal...to stand over him...and glare down looking for snot bubbles and dazed eyes...I blame the players...

Juju knew exactly what he was doing...he could of pulled up a little...his block would have been just as effective if he didn't intentionally try to knock Burfict out...
 
Based on what I’ve seen this year — and I’m usually watching Jets, Giants, 49ers, Sunday Night, Monday Night and Thursday Night Football — what we saw on Monday night is not the norm and by and large, the players (in my opinion) want a safer game. At any rate, their elected representatives want the game to be safer and sometimes the Union and the NFL have to protect the players from themselves.

There is no contradiction between the Union and the League negotiating an agreement to make the game safer and players exercising their rights to play every game; they are competitive individuals. That’s what got them to the NFL in the first place.
 
I'm kind of questioning the player's commitment to surviving their profession without permanent brain damage...everybody complains about the violence and long term damage of the game...but it's the players acting out over and over again...

I don't blame the NFL or the owners...

I mean...the NFL makes the rules...the players know the rules...still they lay these overzealous hits on their opponents...knowing the damage they can do....and then drop to a knee in prayer afterwards...

so who do you blame...

I know it's a physical heated game...and sometimes things get out of hand...so that sets tempers off...but when you knowingly lay a slobberknocker on a defenseless guy...even if the hit ends up a little high or legal...to stand over him...and glare down looking for snot bubbles and dazed eyes...I blame the players...

Juju knew exactly what he was doing...he could of pulled up a little...his block would have been just as effective if he didn't intentionally try to knock Burfict out...

Mike,
I don't disagree, but I can't find any sympathy for Burfict, I just can't. Live by the sword........you know how it goes. I have posted it numerous times, the guy just being in the game sets the tone. He has ended way too many seasons with dirty play and from one of the first plays where he drew an unsportsmanlike from Bell, he started it yet again. They interviewed Bell in Pittsburgh about that and he indicated that a very personal, defamatory insult was directed his way and shame on himself for letting Burfict get to him. BUT, the key denominator here is Burfict, plain and simple. If you get rid of the bad apple, the barrel becomes much cleaner.

TD
 
Tom...

I understand...he's a dirty player...I understand that he has taken some cheap shots in the past...
but I can't condone a tit for tat explanation...
this eye for an eye is gonna wipe out the whole NFL...

I didn't even have to single out Juju to make my point...
he's just the most recent...
this just happens over and over...

what REALLY IRKED me about that play...
was he made it a point to stand over him and gloat...
that just shows me his mindset was that he loved laying the wood to him...
HE WANTED TO HURT HIM...
HE ENJOYED THE HURT HE PUT ON HIM...

I know this is a violent game...
and every time I see one of these overly excessive hits...
that is unnecessarily violent...
it reminds me of Warren Sapp hitting that guy from Green Bay...

the players have nobody to blame but themselves...
most cases they can pull up with the same results...
 
Tom...

I understand...he's a dirty player...I understand that he has taken some cheap shots in the past...
but I can't condone a tit for tat explanation...
this eye for an eye is gonna wipe out the whole NFL...

I didn't even have to single out Juju to make my point...
he's just the most recent...
this just happens over and over...

what REALLY IRKED me about that play...
was he made it a point to stand over him and gloat...
that just shows me his mindset was that he loved laying the wood to him...
HE WANTED TO HURT HIM...
HE ENJOYED THE HURT HE PUT ON HIM...

I know this is a violent game...
and every time I see one of these overly excessive hits...
that is unnecessarily violent...
it reminds me of Warren Sapp hitting that guy from Green Bay...

the players have nobody to blame but themselves...
most cases they can pull up with the same results...

Like I said, I hated the taunting too. By the way, the Bengals players suspension for the hit on Antonio Brown was overturned...........that is horse crap if Ju Ju;s stood. Do you think it is the NFL once again arbitrarily acting??? What because Brown was vocal about Kharma? This is where I have a huge problem. That is just not right. If one suspension stands, the other should too as did Gronk's. This is the part of the NFL I loathe.
 
Tom...
I agree with everything you just said...
my only point is the players bring this on themselves...
they are in complete control of these unnecessary purposeful violent hits...
and regardless of...fines...suspensions...revenge...etc...
they are the only ones that can stop this...
when this happens several times a week...
you need to find blame somewhere to stop this...
 
Mike is 1000% correct, I blame the players.

You can fine them and suspend them all you want, it's up to them to stop with the violent, over the top hits.

They know full well what the consequences of their actions will be, yet they do it anyway.

It's like speeding; the law is 55MPH on the highway, they can post all the signs they want, set up all the speed traps they want and write all the tickets they want.

If you want to drive like a maniac, you assume the risk if you get caught, the only thing that can stop a speeder is himself, just like the only person who can stop with the violent, over the top hits is the actual player.

Just a great point; the violence will stop once the players stop trying to kill each other.

And the more I see the Gronkowski hit, the more annoyed I get, that was an irresponsible, idiotic, foolish thing to do, they should have suspended him two games, it did not take place during a play, it took place after the whistle blew and the player was down, what an idiot.

Moron sports talk radio callers around here are claiming he snapped due to the non calls vs him and the bogus calls on him; tough ****, that's no excuse, it's a lame excuse at that.
 
You both are right, the players are ultimately the responsible party. I am just livid over the fact that I think they are not overturning Ju Ju's because of Brown's comments and they are teaching him a lesson, also it happened on Burfict and oh by the way, Brown got his head knocked off but because he mouthed off, they overturn that one. It just boggles the mind.

Again, not condoning the idiotic taunting, that is just pure crap, I don't like that no matter who it is on. I am going to blow a gasket over this one, just irritates me.
TD
 
if anyone is still following this...
Goodell got his contract renewed...

to quote Chris Rock...
"Good Lawd...that's a lot of money"...

it's good to be the king...
it's good to be Goodell...



There was apparently more than a little drama involved, but Roger Goodell has reportedly signed his new contract to remain NFL commissioner.

Details are scarce so far, but Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, citing a source, says the members of the NFL’s Compensation Committee have sent a memo to all team owners informing them that Goodell’s contract is a done deal.

“A binding contract extension has been signed by the Commissioner and by Arthur Blank, on behalf of the League entities,” the memo reads in part, according to Florio.

The Wall Street Journal reports that it is a five-year deal, with a base salary of $4 million annually. However, if Goodell meets all of the incentives in the contract, he can make as much as $40 million a year, meaning the contract’s max value is $200 million.

https://sports.yahoo.com/done-deal-roger-goodells-new-contract-signed-205616043.html
 
if anyone is still following this...
Goodell got his contract renewed...

to quote Chris Rock...
"Good Lawd...that's a lot of money"...

it's good to be the king...
it's good to be Goodell...



There was apparently more than a little drama involved, but Roger Goodell has reportedly signed his new contract to remain NFL commissioner.

Details are scarce so far, but Mike Florio of Pro Football Talk, citing a source, says the members of the NFL’s Compensation Committee have sent a memo to all team owners informing them that Goodell’s contract is a done deal.

“A binding contract extension has been signed by the Commissioner and by Arthur Blank, on behalf of the League entities,” the memo reads in part, according to Florio.

The Wall Street Journal reports that it is a five-year deal, with a base salary of $4 million annually. However, if Goodell meets all of the incentives in the contract, he can make as much as $40 million a year, meaning the contract’s max value is $200 million.
https://sports.yahoo.com/done-deal-roger-goodells-new-contract-signed-205616043.html

He must be really good at the parts of his job the owner care about ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$); either that, or he knows where all the bodies are buried.
 
He must be really good at the parts of his job the owner care about ($$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$); either that, or he knows where all the bodies are buried.

George...
probably the latter...
all the little secrets locked up in his safe...
cause...I have heard all season long...
that tv revenues/ratings are off...
 
George...
probably the latter...
all the little secrets locked up in his safe...
cause...I have heard all season long...
that tv revenues/ratings are off...

I guess the thing I don't get Mike is how can the owners think that this ******* is good for business being the face of the league.

It's their funeral as the saying goes.
 
I guess the thing I don't get Mike is how can the owners think that this ******* is good for business being the face of the league.

It's their funeral as the saying goes.

George...

keep in mind...
only 6 owners voted on this...
the elected committee...
they own the proxy vote of the rest of the owners...

while it's not as much as I thought it was gonna be...
$200 million for 5 years is a ton...
that is a staggering amount of money...
again...
more than some team owners make..
 
George...

keep in mind...
only 6 owners voted on this...
the elected committee...
they own the proxy vote of the rest of the owners...

while it's not as much as I thought it was gonna be...
$200 million for 5 years is a ton...
that is a staggering amount of money...
again...
more than some team owners make..

Right, I forgot you told me that; so 6 speak for 32, the other 26 let them speak for them. I wonder if they're having second thoughts over that...............
 
Despite certain problems the league is having, the NFL made $14 billion in revenue last year and Goodell is a major reason for that. In addition, the new contract is incentive laden to make sure he focuses on growing annual revenues. Goodell’s guaranteed salary before those potential bonuses will be about $4 million a year.
 

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