The Glory of Rome (4 Viewers)

Those are impressive photos Joe and I would truely love to see a FL Boudicca. I particularly like the look from the second one. That said, here is another alternative, unforutnately in 90mm, that I would love to see as "inspiration" for such a piece.{eek3}^&grin

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I really like the look of the second photo too Bill. It really is a striking rendition of her indeed.
And thank you Bill for sharing the pic of the 90mm Boudicca. That is one stunning version of the Queen to say the least! I attended a model show a few weeks after the Westcoaster, and someone had entered the same version you have shown here of Boudicca (but painted differently). I could not believe how amaze the figure looked. The painting level was unbelievable. Would you believe I left me camera at home? Shame on me, I know. It was the first model show I have attended, and I just wanted to experience the show itself, but as soon as I walked in, I realized it was a big mistake not bringing my camera. The Boudicca figure was one of the first I saw, and my jaw hit the floor. All this talk of Boudicca really has me hopeful that FL includes her in their forthcoming range. That would be nice. I bet she would be very popular and a big seller!! Thanks again for sharing the pic.
 
Hey fellas,

well, holding to what they are trying to do, I am sad to say that Boudicca was long gone by a few decades by the time Legio I Minervia got onto the field. Still, she could work in just fine with a representation of a Roman battlefield.

Boudicca is a tremendously fascinating figure of history. I do enjoy the pics and painted models I have seen of her as to me they seem more a romanticized version of what she and her warriors did to the Romans. I tend to frown on the pinup renditions of her though as I feel it cheapens her memory- let's remember that her daughters were raped in front of her so to treat her as a sex symbol really degrades her memory imo. Still, there are several contemporary accounts of her charging into battle either scantilly clothed or naked as was somewhat customary of the Iceni- which I think fuels sculpters creativity.

I really enjoyed the Aeroart version of her and thought, could I ever afford it, that would be the version of her I put into my collection. I can't see FL doing a fully naked representation of her but I believe they could do a very tasteful rendition of her leading her warriors on. No doubt it would be a very fitting figure to a titanic woman of the ancient world.
 
Hopefully "The Glory of Rome" run will turn out to be a little like the Napoleonic range. Simply meaning that if things go good for Legio I Minervia and their German counterparts then maybe we will see FL expand on the Roman Range and venture into other periods of Roman military history. For example maybe we will see the Republic and Carthage or something that I have always thought would be interesting would be Rome during its decline taking on Attila the Hun. The list goes on and on of things to be covered such as Boudica but FL hit the nail on the head with Legio I Minervia. Legio I Minervia is a great start to a great line.

I know someone asked about books to read. I just finished "Legions of Rome, The Definitive History of Every Roman Legion" by Stephen Dando-Collins. This is a very good book with alot of information on Roman Legions if anyone is interested. He is also the author of "Ceasars' Legions", "Mark Anthonys Heroes", "Neros Killing Machine", "Blood of the Caesars" and a couple I haven't read yet but are on the list such as "The Ides", "The Great Fire of Rome" and "Cleopatras Kidnappers".
 
Sahara said:
....Simply meaning that if things go good for Legio I Minervia and their German counterparts then maybe we will see FL expand on the Roman Range and venture into other periods of Roman military history. For example maybe we will see the Republic and Carthage or something that I have always thought would be interesting would be Rome during its decline taking on Attila the Hun. The list goes on and on of things to be covered such as Boudica but FL hit the nail on the head with Legio I Minervia. Legio I Minervia is a great start to a great line.
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Agreed- again, one could do the invasion of Britain with these figures but would need to omit certain figures- as Matt stated- the VEXILLIFER being one of them. yeah, he touches Zama, and the Carthaginian war elephants- WWOWOWOWOW!! {bravo}}

BTW- Great avatar- getting yourself ready for the release eh?? :)
 
We are finally near the end of April so we should be hearing or seeing something new about these pre-orders soon.
 
Im awaiting the preorder also for these. Missed out on K&C Romans so FL's will make up for that.
 
Sahara said:
We are finally near the end of April so we should be hearing or seeing something new about these pre-orders soon.
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Jagdpanther said:
Im awaiting the preorder also for these. Missed out on K&C Romans so FL's will make up for that.
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I am waiting with curiosity on these also, looking forward to the reviews of those that get them first. these could very possibly be my main purchase interest at this year's Chicago OTSN show . . . . .
:smile2: Mike
 
debrito said:
No worries, you did not miss anything special from K&C..Their Romans was not very good figurines
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Ouch!! {eek3}

I was a little cold towards them as well but made a trade with McKenna77 earlier this year and they are actually pretty good. A good selection of action poses to be had- seems like a high percentage of action poses in comparisons to other lines. The mounted Caesar is exceptionally beautiful. At $21/ each, looking back, those guys were a steal.

BUT..........it's a new era now. I'm very much looking forward to what Fl can give us!!

Cheers
CC
 
Long time ago I was thinking to buy K&C Romans but just got a couple of Germans invaders, but I sold them not long time ago....But agree with you that the Caesar was not to bad at $21,00

Cheers
 
Currahee Chris said:
Hey fellas,

well, holding to what they are trying to do, I am sad to say that Boudicca was long gone by a few decades by the time Legio I Minervia got onto the field. Still, she could work in just fine with a representation of a Roman battlefield.

Boudicca is a tremendously fascinating figure of history. I do enjoy the pics and painted models I have seen of her as to me they seem more a romanticized version of what she and her warriors did to the Romans. I tend to frown on the pinup renditions of her though as I feel it cheapens her memory- let's remember that her daughters were raped in front of her so to treat her as a sex symbol really degrades her memory imo. Still, there are several contemporary accounts of her charging into battle either scantilly clothed or naked as was somewhat customary of the Iceni- which I think fuels sculpters creativity.

I really enjoyed the Aeroart version of her and thought, could I ever afford it, that would be the version of her I put into my collection. I can't see FL doing a fully naked representation of her but I believe they could do a very tasteful rendition of her leading her warriors on. No doubt it would be a very fitting figure to a titanic woman of the ancient world.
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Yes she would be a great addition, no matter what the period.
 
Actually the Romans that FL are making would work fantastic with with the Boudicca revolt in Britain between 60-61 AD. The reason being is that it has never been proven one way or another if the empire at any given point had adopted the scutum (shield) with the thunderbolt and wings for all their legions. In fact there are actually only a select few legions that we can definitively say had the thunderbolt and wings. One of those legions was the 14th Gemina Martia Victrix Legion which was active in the Boudicca revolt. The 1st Minervia Legion could have very well have had a thunderbolt and wing or variation of that logo as well but more then likely their shields would have sported a Gorgons head which is commonly associated with Minerva. The Thunderbolt was revered as a sacred symbol by many of the tribes in the north such as many of the barbarian German tribes so it was probably unlikely that The 1st Minervia had the thunderbolt on their shields. In fact it is documented several times that sometimes the only way to tell friend from foe was the symbol on the shield (refering to civil wars etc...)

Why then do all the movies depict the scutum with its thunderbolt and wing design? Simply because most of the existing works of arts statues, Trajans column etc... are of soldiers from the Praetorian Guard who sported the thunderbolt and winged shields. The Praetorian Guard was one if not the only unit to be stationed in the capital (Rome) therefore they would be the inspiration for much of the art.

That being said I do like the figures FL is producing. They are excellent and can be represented in any way the collector sees fit. Other then the 14th, the Preatorian Guard, 11th Claudia, 12th Fulminata and the 30th Ulpia Legions have all been proven to have used the thunderbolt and wings so there are alot of possibilities with these figures.



The Scutum or
 
Sahara said:
Actually the Romans that FL are making would work fantastic with with the Boudicca revolt in Britain between 60-61 AD. The reason being is that it has never been proven one way or another if the empire at any given point had adopted the scutum (shield) with the thunderbolt and wings for all their legions. In fact there are actually only a select few legions that we can definitively say had the thunderbolt and wings. One of those legions was the 14th Gemina Martia Victrix Legion which was active in the Boudicca revolt. The 1st Minervia Legion could have very well have had a thunderbolt and wing or variation of that logo as well but more then likely their shields would have sported a Gorgons head which is commonly associated with Minerva. The Thunderbolt was revered as a sacred symbol by many of the tribes in the north such as many of the barbarian German tribes so it was probably unlikely that The 1st Minervia had the thunderbolt on their shields. In fact it is documented several times that sometimes the only way to tell friend from foe was the symbol on the shield (refering to civil wars etc...)

Why then do all the movies depict the scutum with its thunderbolt and wing design? Simply because most of the existing works of arts statues, Trajans column etc... are of soldiers from the Praetorian Guard who sported the thunderbolt and winged shields. The Praetorian Guard was one if not the only unit to be stationed in the capital (Rome) therefore they would be the inspiration for much of the art.

That being said I do like the figures FL is producing. They are excellent and can be represented in any way the collector sees fit. Other then the 14th, the Preatorian Guard, 11th Claudia, 12th Fulminata and the 30th Ulpia Legions have all been proven to have used the thunderbolt and wings so there are alot of possibilities with these figures.



The Scutum or
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Fascinating info Sahara, thank for sharing it! So it would appear the Boudicca could very well figure into FL's plans and remain historically accurate as well:). That's very pleasing news to these ears!

I'm starting to think maybe a Boudicca chariot is in order. Now that would be incredible!
 
joesgis said:
Fascinating info Sahara, thank for sharing it! So it would appear the Boudicca could very well figure into FL's plans and remain historically accurate as well:). That's very pleasing news to these ears!

I'm starting to think maybe a Boudicca chariot is in order. Now that would be incredible!
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I agree, good stuff Sahara.^&cool A chariot would be amazing but ..... I am not sure how affordable it would be.:eek: Maybe a Boudicca figure that could be purchased and displayed with or without the chariot?
 
joesgis said:
I'm starting to think maybe a Boudicca chariot is in order. Now that would be incredible!
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This is a question for any of the Roman Era experts. Were the tribes in Britian the only 'barbarians' to use small chariots? I mean, did any of the Germanic or Gallic tribes use them or something similar?

Noah
 
Fusilier said:
This is a question for any of the Roman Era experts. Were the tribes in Britian the only 'barbarians' to use small chariots? I mean, did any of the Germanic or Gallic tribes use them or something similar?

Noah
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The tribes from Briton were by far the most notable for using the chariot (Karros) effectively, however there were also some Gallic tribes such as the Belgae, Brythonic and Goidels (These tribes were in Briton as well). Keep in mind that there were others that utilized the chariot as well but I kept to the general vicinity that you mentioned because the further you reached out from this region the more the design began to change. When buying a Boudicca figure be careful if your looking for historical accuracy because many times she is portrayed in a Roman Chariot. A great example of this is the statue of Boudicca in London on the Thames embankment. That is a Roman style chariot.

A interesting little fact I found to be stunning was that Claudius had intended to use war elephants in 43 AD to fight off the Briton war chariots. Unfortunately it is believed that the crossing was to rough when they were to be deployed and they never made it across.
 
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