The Stugs, comparions. (1 Viewer)

Re: Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory, Nov.'42

Phantom Warrior said:
When comparing the K&C Ausf A stug with the FL Ausf F, remember there were actual size differences between the two stug Ausf. Is it possible that both stugs are 1/30 scale and the only differences are in the size of the figures?

Do we have any Ausf A and Ausf F dimensions (which do not include the long gun in the length)?

Terry
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Terry, the Ausf F/8 had a slightly extended engine deck being based on the later Mark III tank and of course a greater overall length due to the longer gun.

The Ausf F/8 was also a bit higher than the Ausf A due to the circular projection on the top of the Ausf F/8 as depicted in the photos below. Neither of these explain the larger size of the First Legion model.
 
Re: Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory, Nov.'42

Rob said:
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What I'm trying to say is I don't quite understand the anger around here,surely we can all appreciate other producers stuff can't we?.We are all adults here,can't we just enjoy the wide and growing range of WW2 TS and Vehicles to choose from?.

Just a thought:).

Rob
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I have stayed out of this discussion, while reading it and enjoying Franks display creativity, it looks truly lifelike. I will say Rob's post is a thought I pondered 3 months ago when my opinion was attacked. Just because I don't collect something doesn't mean I can't appreciate its display in someone else's colleciton. Really is no reason to be angry one way or another over people's differing opinion. As for scale, that is an age old argument that will go on forever. Maybe Terry is right and you are talking 2 slightly different Stug platforms. I don't know the answer, but 95% of the thread has been quite enjoyable.

TD
 
Re: Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory, Nov.'42

my gentle friends, one last picture for this time.

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when the time comes for a figarti stug or a new K&C stug, the respective stugs will be again compared for the discerning viewers.

sincerely.
 
Re: Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory, Nov.'42

Thanks for posting, Nasir,
those are good photos.
Konrad
 
Re: Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory, Nov.'42

Phantom Warrior said:
When comparing the K&C Ausf A stug with the FL Ausf F, remember there were actual size differences between the two stug Ausf. Is it possible that both stugs are 1/30 scale and the only differences are in the size of the figures?

Do we have any Ausf A and Ausf F dimensions (which do not include the long gun in the length)?

Terry
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http://www.panzerworld.net/stugiii

Specs near the bottom. Source looks reputable (Jentz, Doyle)
 
Re: Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory, Nov.'42

Phantom Warrior said:
I think this is the first side by side comparison I have seen and am surprised that the FL Stug is actually a tiny bit larger than the K&C vehicle, even making allowances for the track extensions on the FL Stug. I expected the FL Stug to be a bit smaller. It begs the question (rhetorically - I am not trying to restart a debate on figure size) as to such a large size difference in the manufacturers' respective figures. :confused::)

Terry
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I have to admit that grey stug is as good as anything I have seen.The best tank released this year.Just my Two cents worth.Simmo.:p
 
Re: Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory, Nov.'42

nasirkasmani said:
my gentle friends, one last picture for this time.

Z7.jpg


when the time comes for a figarti stug or a new K&C stug, the respective stugs will be again compared for the discerning viewers.

sincerely.
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I'm trying really hard to find something wrong with this photo . All i can see is the best German figures released this Year period .. and a very nice looking Stug . As I don't have one of the Stugs yet ,these pictures do nothing to me except make me won't one even more ;) Thanks for posting the photos . ( Sorry some of our fellow collectors would rather complain about the weight or get out there ruler instead of just stating the obvious-- for FL's first tank that is **** good . And to also hope that their favorite manufacture will pick up the glove and keep making improvements as Fl does with every new release . like the good book says " first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye". As always just my two cents not even worth that much to me.;)Have a good day Gebhard
 
Re: Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory, Nov.'42

OzDigger said:
In your humble opinion of course ;)
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Yes Oz, only in my humble opinion of course;);) Unless my eyes decieve me these are without a doubt the very best WWII soldiers and AFV's out there....I personally have to acknowledge the obvious IMHO (of course):D:D:D
 
Re: Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory, Nov.'42

fmethorst said:
http://www.panzerworld.net/stugiii

Specs near the bottom. Source looks reputable (Jentz, Doyle)
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According to the specs, the Ausf A stug is 5.38 m long by 2.92 m wide by 1.95 m high which at 1/30 scale translates to 7-1/16" long by 3-13/16 wide by 2-3/4" high. The measurements of the K&C model are 7" x 3-13/16" x 2-11/16" or exact for the width at 1/30 scale and 1/16" shorter for length and height. Pretty close.

The Ausf F/8 stug is only a bit bigger than the Ausf A. at 0.02 m longer, 0.03 m wider and 0.2 m taller. At 1/30 scale this is an almost invisible 1/32" longer and wider and 1/4" taller. The FL Ausf F/8 stug should be margially larger, especially in height than the K&C Ausf A stug, and it is. I don't have the FL stug to measure so I can't tell how much bigger it is.


But in looking at Nas' photos, and ignoring the longer gun and track extensions on the FL model, the FL model is slightly longer, wider and taller than the K&C ausf A with the biggest difference being in the height which is as it should be.

Both stugs appear to be 1/30 scale to me. As I said earlier, the only real difference is in the comparative sizes of the FL and K&C figures which are at the small and large ends of the figure ranges respectively.

I suppose one could place FL and K&C figures next to each Stug and compare soldier heights vs the stugs to soldier heights in photos of soldiers standing next to stugs?

Terry
 
Re: Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory, Nov.'42

OzDigger said:
Terry, considering the highly variable photographs we have seen so far it is hard to say just how much the difference is and it's best to see them first hand before making a buying decision.

However considering the length and width of the K & C Stug are accurate for 1/30 I believe the FL Stug is more like 1/28 scale. That is a significant difference when you think of it being similar to the difference between 1/32 and 1/30 models.
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Just from the recent side by side photos, the FL stug looks pretty close to 1/30 as well. It may be a smidgen larger as the K&C stug may be a smidgen smaller than 1/30

Terry
 
Re: Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory, Nov.'42

Spitfrnd said:
There are some that do this, for at least the FL figures, taken from CTSC.;)
http://www.treefrogtreasures.com/forum/showthread.php?p=251280#post251280
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I'm waiting for someone to post pictures of both the K&C and FL stugs with both K&C and FL figures in the same positions next to each along with some similar photos from the 1940's. At this point, I have to believe the only difference is in how FL and K&C interpret figure size.

Terry
 
Re: Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory, Nov.'42

I've just gone through some of the posts here in the last few days and I have to say some of them are pretty, pretty sad. Has the concept of "live and let live" ever occurred to some members here. You like First Legion? Fine. Why run K & C down. You like K & C? Fine, why run First Legion down. They both make great products. It's almost as if this is a pride, mano a mano thing. I constantly see the same arguments over and over and over. It's almost enough to make you want to quit this Forum. I certainly don't envy Shannon, Dave and Scott right now.
 
Re: Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory, Nov.'42

jazzeum said:
I've just gone through some of the posts here in the last few days and I have to say some of them are pretty, pretty sad. Has the concept of "live and let live" ever occurred to some members here. You like First Legion? Fine. Why run K & C down. You like K & C? Fine, why run First Legion down. They both make great products. It's almost as if this is a pride, mano a mano thing. I constantly see the same arguments over and over and over. It's almost enough to make you want to quit this Forum. I certainly don't envy Shannon, Dave and Scott right now.
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Very well said, Brad,
thanks for posting this!
Konrad
 
Re: Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory, Nov.'42

Thanks for the great photos Nasir. You've got some very nice stuff there.
 
Re: Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory, Nov.'42

What I find really interesting is how fast FL was able to achieve their current level of detail in both AFV's and figures. Scale issues aside, the pure amount of detail and realism is astounding, especially when you consider they've only been in the WWII market for less than a year! Look at how long K & C has been around to get where they're at, it's been a long road of gradual improvements with both AFV's and figures.

My point is I think that FL jumped in to the WWII market at a much higher level than most others did when they first started. It can only get better from here.
 
Re: Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory, Nov.'42

Phantom Warrior said:
I'm waiting for someone to post pictures of both the K&C and FL stugs with both K&C and FL figures in the same positions next to each along with some similar photos from the 1940's. At this point, I have to believe the only difference is in how FL and K&C interpret figure size.

Terry
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terry,

perhaps these are the pictures you require?

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Re: Battle for the Barrikady Gun Factory, Nov.'42

I don't have anything more than I said yesterday and thanks Konrad. Amusing that the principal combatants should find nothing wrong. What I find sad is that this thread containing Frank's and others collectors' wonderful photos have been ruined by this needless bickering.

Last word from me on this. You may now resume your arguments.
 
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