"War Park" New Brand 1/30 figures - Kharkov LSSAH (2 Viewers)

[uksubs]

Size matters if you are interested in realism. A TCS WWII figure looks pretty silly with a Figarti Tiger I or an FL Panzer III IMO. Ditto FL figures look pretty silly next to a TCS Kingtiger. Some figures are so oversize they look realistic with 1/25 scale Tamiya Panzers.Tamiya provides excellent 68mm tall figures with their 1/25 scale Panzers. The same size as many K&C, TCS and TG figures in my collection. Also the Tamiya figures do not have bases to confuse the issue of actual figure height.

Julie has posted many size comparison photos that have been very valuable in determining the suitability of using figures from company B with figures from company B. The size comparison figures from War Park are equally useful; except where the scale has been mislabeled for some reason. I would like to see a size comparison photo of the War Park figures with FL and WB figures.

Can you please move your scale posts to a different thread please as this thread about War Packs new figures !?

 

[uksubs]

I think what Neil is trying to say Katana is that we all understand you're obsession with scale, but maybe give WP a chance to sell a few figures and get their product out there before speculating on size comparisons any further.

The more you raise the topic the more collectors switch off. You raise valid points, but you really are beating the scale thing to death.

Maybe button off a tad and let WP do their thing.

Just some friendly thoughts from a fellow member.

Cheers.:salute::

Well said :salute::

 

[Mark IV]

Why have I purchased the War Park figures ? Because I like what I say and unless someone actually purchases the figures we are never going to answer any questions on scale.

Obviously War Park intend selling figures and AFV so they would want their own products to work together and if by some chance they fit in with what another TS Manufacturer does that's a bonus.

I'm purchasing figures that represent what happened in Kharkov which interests me and I'm hoping if the figures prove to be decent and reasonably priced to get what else they produce and display them together.

Just the same as Andy has told anyone who will listen he makes his figures and AFV for K&C not FL, TCS or TGM they all have their own style and none of the figures fit with the others. WB figures don't really fit with FL these don't fit with TGM and some TGM fit with K&C but not all and I have some TSC that are actually huge however they do work when displayed how the manufacturer made them FL with FL etc.

If scale is the issue just collect one manufacturer me I collect what I like

Mark

 

[Desertkiwi]

"Why are so many men obsessed with 'size'?" I once heard a female comedian say and this thread is confirming it. I have ordered the new German figures and from looking I think they will go with either my F Legion and T Gunn figures and possibly my K & C. Whichever it is it I will be happy, for me there are only certain compatible figures, WW2 K & C with T Gunn looks OK for me, J Jenkins worked for me with W Britains in the Clash of Empire and the War of the Nile.

On scale and figure size the question for me is all non-famous figures are the same body shape and generic. I would like to see some differing body shape, for example When I served I was only 5ft 8inches and a little on the 'chunky' size and served with guys much taller than me and very lean, these differences are something that is not expressed in T Soldiers. I would like to see figures like Sgt. Kaffeekanne, the fat German delivering supplies by horse in the Longest day, about 1hr 27 minutes into the film. The actor was Gert Fröbe, who was also Auric Goldfinger in James Bond's Goldfinger.

Finally on scale I would like to quote Ted talking to Dougal about cows in the comedy series Father Ted [one of the greatest comedy shows] "These are small, but the ones outside are far away".
see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMiKyfd6hA0

I do miss Ted and Dougal, not to mention the rest of the odd ball bunch. Now all of a sudden I fancy a cup of tea......

 

[Vezzolf]

All kidding aside and all things cosidered we will just have to wait and see what these figures actually look like in hand.....Scale matters (i.e "size does matter":wink2 when we are trying to MIX FIGURES from different manufacturers,.... not only that but painting style and sculpts are also significant factors in regards to figure compatibility between different TS manufacturers.....I have both older K/C and FL WWII figures and they don't mix all that well or NOT AT ALL... As many of you already know the newer WB figures work well with FL (that's a fact).....I personally hope that these will work well in scale with both FL and WB......That said I will likely purchase a few anyway but if the scale is too large I will likely stop at just a few because at this stage of the game I am not interested in collectimg a whole new WWII manufacturers product line.....I look forward to some actual comparison photos before I commit either way..... Again they do look very good and at a very fair price:salute::

 

[katana]

The War Park Kharkov Germans should work well with the Eagle Design Panzer II and Panzer III to do scenes from the three battles of Kharkov. A complete Kampfgruppe could be constructed economically. A Joachim Peiper figure would be nice to command the Panzers.

 

[OzDigger]

Size matters if you are interested in realism. A TCS WWII figure looks pretty silly with a Figarti Tiger I or an FL Panzer III IMO. Ditto FL figures look pretty silly next to a TCS Kingtiger. Some figures are so oversize they look realistic with 1/25 scale Tamiya Panzers.Tamiya provides excellent 68mm tall figures with their 1/25 scale Panzers. The same size as many K&C, TCS and TG figures in my collection. Also the Tamiya figures do not have bases to confuse the issue of actual figure height.

Julie has posted many size comparison photos that have been very valuable in determining the suitability of using figures from company B with figures from company B. The size comparison figures from War Park are equally useful; except where the scale has been mislabeled for some reason. I would like to see a size comparison photo of the War Park figures with FL and WB figures.

Size and Realism does matter to some collectors, however the majority of collectors either don't recognize the differences or simply don't care.

And as I said earlier, figure sizes vary within Ranges and across Manufacturers. This scale variation also applies to Vehicles and Tanks, especially over time. Knowing this it's pointless in continually stating that such and such company makes (only) 1/32, 1/30, 1/28 or even 1/25 scale items. I wish it was true, but it's not. Consequently what 'Company Figure matches what Company Vehicle' becomes a personal Opinion or Preference, not some Scale Dogma that needs repeating Ad nauseam. When you or others continually post these assertions it indicates an Agenda rather than Accuracy concerns.

There is some merit in size comparison photos of figures from various ranges and manufacturers but only when they represent an average size, not some obscure Giant or Midget soldier. When people post photos calculated to deceive it is unhelpful, and dishonest IMHO.

 

[Andanna]

Looking forward to the results of the survey showing that the majority of collectors do not care about size compatibility. I hope it is not more than five years old as the hobby and the collectors preferences are changing.

 

[OzDigger]

Looking forward to the results of the survey showing that the majority of collectors do not care about size compatibility. I hope it is not more than five years old as the hobby and the collectors preferences are changing.

You don't need a survey, ask any dealer.

 

[Guest]

I do miss Ted and Dougal, not to mention the rest of the odd ball bunch. Now all of a sudden I fancy a cup of tea......

But
"Be Careful Now"

 

[Andanna]

You don't need a survey, ask any dealer.

I did. Results unequivocal. Russia and Europe very size aware, Anglo saxon environment depending on collecting preferences. I noticed the answer had a lot to do with which brands the dealer was representing, so I did not give much value to the results.

Then did a survey of manufacturers (KC, FL, Britains & JJD) and those results were different from your statement. Therefore, I ask you support your statement.

 

[katana]

I agree with your analysis. I have a goal to encourge TS manufacturers to standardize their figures and vehicles on the 1/30 (60mm) size that they advertise. The 1/35 scale plastic military model manufacturers benefited greatly from standardization in the 1970s. Prior to standardization many scales were in production; 1/72, 1/48, 1/35, 1/32, 1/30, 1/25, 1/24, 1/16, and 1/15. I have armor models in all of these scales. Tamiya initiated 1/35 scale and over a 10 year period it became the standard for the larger percentage of armor models. The other scales gradually diminished and disappeared, except for 1/24 and 1/16 which have become the standard scales for RC armor.

60mm Roman figures from Conte, FL, TCS, TG,and K&C are all size compatible as Julies excellent comparison photos have demonstrated. Why can't this same compatibility occur with WWII armor and figures?

I agree that TG is downsizing some of its figures and in the not too distant future 1/30 will become the primary scale for WWII armor and figures. New manufacturers prove this shift to a 1/30 scale standard is occuring i.e. FL, JJD, Eagle Design etc. Legacy manufacturers that grew into 1/28 scale from 1/32 will probably join the trend like TG is doing. The same type of trend that consolidated plastic armor model scale at 1/35 IMO.

Think how nice it would be to buy WWII armor, artillery and aircraft from any TS manufacturer and know that they will all be size compatible. It can happen as it has happened before.

Size and Realism does matter to some collectors, however the majority of collectors either don't recognize the differences or simply don't care.

And as I said earlier, figure sizes vary within Ranges and across Manufacturers. This scale variation also applies to Vehicles and Tanks, especially over time. Knowing this it's pointless in continually stating that such and such company makes (only) 1/32, 1/30, 1/28 or even 1/25 scale items. I wish it was true, but it's not. Consequently what 'Company Figure matches what Company Vehicle' becomes a personal Opinion or Preference, not some Scale Dogma that needs repeating Ad nauseam. When you or others continually post these assertions it indicates an Agenda rather than Accuracy concerns.

There is some merit in size comparison photos of figures from various ranges and manufacturers but only when they represent an average size, not some obscure Giant or Midget soldier. When people post photos calculated to deceive it is unhelpful, and dishonest IMHO.

 

[OzDigger]

I did. Results unequivocal. Russia and Europe very size aware, Anglo saxon environment depending on collecting preferences. I noticed the answer had a lot to do with which brands the dealer was representing, so I did not give much value to the results.

Then did a survey of manufacturers (KC, FL, Britains & JJD) and those results were different from your statement. Therefore, I ask you support your statement.

"Unequivocal" you say. If you can't "give much value to the results" then the results are Equivocal rather Unequivocal. Clearly you will have some bias depending upon the brand, for example First Legion collectors may have a preference for smaller figures compared to tank size. I have noticed an increasing interest by some collectors towards smaller '1/30' scale figures and vehicles. However the Toy Soldier hobby is very diverse and if you can't comprehend that the majority of Toy Soldier collectors either don't recognize the differences or simply don't care, that's your problem not mine.

 

[OzDigger]

I agree with your analysis. I have a goal to encourge TS manufacturers to standardize their figures and vehicles on the 1/30 (60mm) size that they advertise. The 1/35 scale plastic military model manufacturers benefited greatly from standardization in the 1970s. Prior to standardization many scales were in production; 1/72, 1/48, 1/35, 1/32, 1/30, 1/25, 1/24, 1/16, and 1/15. I have armor models in all of these scales. Tamiya initiated 1/35 scale and over a 10 year period it became the standard for the larger percentage of armor models. The other scales gradually diminished and disappeared, except for 1/24 and 1/16 which have become the standard scales for RC armor.

60mm Roman figures from Conte, FL, TCS, TG,and K&C are all size compatible as Julies excellent comparison photos have demonstrated. Why can't this same compatibility occur with WWII armor and figures?

I agree that TG is downsizing some of its figures and in the not too distant future 1/30 will become the primary scale for WWII armor and figures. New manufacturers prove this shift to a 1/30 scale standard is occuring i.e. FL, JJD, Eagle Design etc. Legacy manufacturers that grew into 1/28 scale from 1/32 will probably join the trend like TG is doing. The same type of trend that consolidated plastic armor model scale at 1/35 IMO.

Think how nice it would be to buy WWII armor, artillery and aircraft from any TS manufacturer and know that they will all be size compatible. It can happen as it has happened before.

I also have a desire that the TS manufacturers will standardize their scale sizes, the difference is I know it won't happen, for a number of reasons, partly because some of them don't want to. 1/30 scale may be increasing in popularity and does appear to be shrinking in size, not a Good thing for every so called 1/30 scale collector, including myself.

1/30 scale is over represented on this and the other related forum. Prebuilt 1/72 scale is much more popular globally and to suggest 1/30 scale will become the primary scale for WWII armor and figures is wishful thinking, at best.

 

[Andanna]

"Unequivocal" you say. If you can't "give much value to the results" then the results are Equivocal rather Unequivocal. Clearly you will have some bias depending upon the brand, for example First Legion collectors may have a preference for smaller figures compared to tank size. I have noticed an increasing interest by some collectors towards smaller '1/30' scale figures and vehicles. However the Toy Soldier hobby is very diverse and if you can't comprehend that the majority of Toy Soldier collectors either don't recognize the differences or simply don't care, that's your problem not mine.

I am just asking that you support a statement you made. You repeat it in the last sentence and I plainly ask for the basis of your statement. It is really that simple. Further, are you trying to launch a personal attack?

 

[OzDigger]

I am just asking that you support a statement you made. You repeat it in the last sentence and I plainly ask for the basis of your statement. It is really that simple. Further, are you trying to launch a personal attack?

You requested results of a survey to support my statement which was largely based on my personal experience over many years in this hobby rather than a specific formal survey. I am not aware of any specific survey, maybe you'd like to start a poll if it's that important to you. No personal attack, merely a response to your initial, and apparent ongoing questioning of my opinion(s). I have been involved in nearly every scale thread on this forum, I suggest you search the word "scale" and by reading the relevant posts you will see if my statement is accurate.

 

[uksubs]

Size and Realism does matter to some collectors, however the majority of collectors either don't recognize the differences or simply don't care.

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I think most people know about scale of the different figures but just don’t need to have a lecturer from the voice of reasons about on in every thread to be honest , it come across as propaganda

 

[OzDigger]

I think most people know about scale of the different figures but just don’t need to have a lecturer from the voice of reasons about on in every thread to be honest , it come across as propaganda

Most people are aware of scale and some have an eye for detail. However I believe they are not major considerations for most collector's based on my forum experiences and discussions with dealers and ts manufacturers.

 

[uksubs]

Most people are aware of scale and some have an eye for detail. However I believe they are not major considerations for most collector's
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Matt from my own point of view it does matter and if I get a AFV from any toy soldier company and it over scale or under scale are sell it on if it does not look right with the rest of my collection

 

[OzDigger]

Matt from my own point of view it does matter and if I get a AFV from any toy soldier company and it over scale or under scale are sell it on if it does not look right with the rest of my collection

Same here Neil, and I'm sure Katana and Andanna etc share the same point of view in that we prefer our toy soldiers etc to be relatively the same size, and maybe even match in detail and colouration. However these factors come at a price, which is steadily increasing. And keep in mind that we represent a small portion of the Military Model collecting hobby, like it or not. If this new company can produce well detailed 1/30 figures at a reasonable price there is obviously a niche market for them and I wish them every success. However I fear the market does seem to be saturated or even contracting based on the number of TS companies that are apparently struggling, for example Figarti and WB etc. I do hope I'm wrong, time will tell as they say.