Wittman Tiger (2 Viewers)

[The Collectors Showcase]

It seems we all are viewing the 1/30-1/28th scale through a variety of lenses.

So to be equal we are stating the our vehicles are set to fit perfectly with industry postulated 1/30th scale figures.

If collectors see this figure genre scale as closer to 1/28th that's fine too. But the common nomenclature is that the figures are meant to be 1/30th, that's all

Cheers!

Brian

 

[maddadicus]

True enough but has not this been done already? Why keep going on about it? Is it because it is not clear? Here are the dimensions of the Tiger 1

Dimensions, Length . . . . 20 feet 8 1/2 inches.
(excluding gun)
Width with wide com-
bat track . . . . 12 feet 3 inches
Width with narrow
transport track . . . . 10 feet 4 inches.
Height . . . . 9 feet 4 3/4 inches.
Gun overhang . . . . 7 feet 1/2 inch.
Ground clearance . . . . 1 foot 5 inches.

So then 1/30 scale means what exactly? 1" = 30" Is this correct?

Based on 1/30 scale conversion program. I used 2 different sites to confirm..Measure your new Tigers and check it out..Conversions in black bold.

Just for jollies, here are the dimensions for early CS Tiger If this Tiger was at 1/30 scale ,
why did we need to buy a new one? Those who sold off their first ones, should be asking why, also! Michael

Dimensions, Length . . . . 20 feet 8 1/2 inches........... 8 1/4" ....... 8 1/4"
(excluding gun)
Width with wide com-
bat track . . . . 12 feet 3 inches .......... 4 3/4" ....... 4 3/4"
Width with narrow
transport track . . . . 10 feet 4 inches.
Height . . . . 9 feet 4 3/4 inches. ........... 3 3/4" ........ 3 3/4"
Gun overhang . . . . 7 feet 1/2 inch.
Ground clearance . . . . 1 foot 5 inches.

 

[kilted vampire]

Based on 1/30 scale conversion program. I used 2 different sites to confirm..Measure your new Tigers and check it out..Conversions in black bold.

Just for jollies, here are the dimensions for early CS Tiger If this Tiger was at 1/30 scale ,
why did we need to buy a new one? Those who sold off their first ones, should be asking why, also! Michael

Dimensions, Length . . . . 20 feet 8 1/2 inches........... 8 1/4" ....... 8 1/4"
(excluding gun)
Width with wide com-
bat track . . . . 12 feet 3 inches .......... 4 3/4" ....... 4 3/4"
Width with narrow
transport track . . . . 10 feet 4 inches.
Height . . . . 9 feet 4 3/4 inches. ........... 3 3/4" ........ 3 3/4"
Gun overhang . . . . 7 feet 1/2 inch.
Ground clearance . . . . 1 foot 5 inches.

So you are saying that the previous Tiger is Dead on? Sweet! Glad I have only been painting it LOL!

 

[PanzerAce1944]

As far as I know, there are few WWII series where the figures fit with the AFVs. The Honour Bound AFVs and figures were 1/30 and so are the First legion figures and AFVs. Figarti had 1/32 AFVs and figures. And now it seems that CS has matched the figures and AFVs to the same scale but at 1/28.

Current production by K&C, TGM and Figarti have 1/30 AFVs and 1/28 figures. The old K&C AFVs were 1/32. The old CS AFVS and figures were also different scales.

So there is lots of variation between manufacturers and within the products of each individual manufacturer.

Because there has been so much scale variation and there continues to be variation in scales, it is important for collectors to understand what they are getting. If only one scale had been used since the beginning for both AFVs and figures, this discussion would never take place. But because of scale variations which change over time, this topic frequently crops up.

Terry

A mixed group of manufacturers each producing a mixed batch of figures and vehicles. Kind of makes ones head spin.The companies are putting out some very fine products indeed, we as collectors I think just want more consistant scaling across the board.1/30 scale seems to be in the range of 1/28 to 1/32 when given all of the brands and different products. {sm2}

 

[Mitch]

We have not even looked at detail accuracy or quality only scale. This is a cake walk
Mitch

A mixed group of manufacturers each producing a mixed batch of figures and vehicles. Kind of makes ones head spin.The companies are putting out some very fine products indeed, we as collectors I think just want more consistant scaling across the board.1/30 scale seems to be in the range of 1/28 to 1/32 when given all of the brands and different products. {sm2}

 

[MC BOWEN]

I do not think it will come to pass but it would be nice if scale was consistent ever within the same company!!!:smile2:MIKE B.

 

[lancer]

Received my new CS Wittmann Tiger. The biggest criticism I can note is that the box is labeled Tiger I Pzkfw IV when it should be VI. BFD. It is one fantastic model. Detail is better than ever and the zimmerit is much better than the first version. Paint is excellent and I will live with th 007 decals, which have already been discussed. Not as bad as I feared, anyway. This is one big model and goes fantastically with other makers 1/30 figures, as well as CS figures, although the rather generous bases on my CS Arnhem and Nijmegan Germans make them a wee bit tall. The down side, I suppose, is that it is bigger than previous Tiger I's from CS and KC (don't have other makers so I can't comment on those), and thus will not display with them. This does not bother me a wit as it will be displayed on it's own. For those who want to know, I took rough measurements on the old CS Tiger I and the new Tiger I. The new Tiger is 5/8" longer in the hull (no barrel), 1/8" higher, 3/8" wider (fender edge to fender edge), and the track is 1/16" wider. To answer another question of mine, the new Tiger I is big but the new CS King Tigers are bigger than it. The KT is an inch longer (w/o barrel), a 1/4" higher, and a 1/2" wider in the hull (fender edge to fender edge). The KT track is 1/8" wider, as well. Yes, the new CS Tiger I may be over 1/30, if the old CS Tiger was 1/30, but it is so impressive and fits (at last) with the current wealth of figures so well, I am thrilled with it. It is a fine effort and as the price is still so reasonable, I rate it a great buy. Now if someone at CS will learn Roman numerals... -- Al

 

[Terp152]

Received my new CS Wittmann Tiger. The biggest criticism I can note is that the box is labeled Tiger I Pzkfw IV when it should be VI. BFD. It is one fantastic model. Detail is better than ever and the zimmerit is much better than the first version. Paint is excellent and I will live with th 007 decals, which have already been discussed. Not as bad as I feared, anyway. This is one big model and goes fantastically with other makers 1/30 figures, as well as CS figures, although the rather generous bases on my CS Arnhem and Nijmegan Germans make them a wee bit tall. The down side, I suppose, is that it is bigger than previous Tiger I's from CS and KC (don't have other makers so I can't comment on those), and thus will not display with them. This does not bother me a wit as it will be displayed on it's own. For those who want to know, I took rough measurements on the old CS Tiger I and the new Tiger I. The new Tiger is 5/8" longer in the hull (no barrel), 1/8" higher, 3/8" wider (fender edge to fender edge), and the track is 1/16" wider. To answer another question of mine, the new Tiger I is big but the new CS King Tigers are bigger than it. The KT is an inch longer (w/o barrel), a 1/4" higher, and a 1/2" wider in the hull (fender edge to fender edge). The KT track is 1/8" wider, as well. Yes, the new CS Tiger I may be over 1/30, if the old CS Tiger was 1/30, but it is so impressive and fits (at last) with the current wealth of figures so well, I am thrilled with it. It is a fine effort and as the price is still so reasonable, I rate it a great buy. Now if someone at CS will learn Roman numerals... -- Al

Glad to see you are pleased with your "last" Tiger Al. :wink2: Chris

 

[lancer]

Glad to see you are pleased with your "last" Tiger Al. :wink2: Chris

LOL. Last Tiger, just like I swear off the Terps, O's, and Redskins on a regular basis.:wink2:{sm3}^&grin -- Al

 

[PanzerAce1944]

We have not even looked at detail accuracy or quality only scale. This is a cake walk
Mitch

So Right you are Mitch.....So right you are !

 

[PanzerAce1944]

received my new cs wittmann tiger. The biggest criticism i can note is that the box is labeled tiger i pzkfw iv when it should be vi. Bfd. It is one fantastic model. Detail is better than ever and the zimmerit is much better than the first version. Paint is excellent and i will live with th 007 decals, which have already been discussed. Not as bad as i feared, anyway. This is one big model and goes fantastically with other makers 1/30 figures, as well as cs figures, although the rather generous bases on my cs arnhem and nijmegan germans make them a wee bit tall. The down side, i suppose, is that it is bigger than previous tiger i's from cs and kc (don't have other makers so i can't comment on those), and thus will not display with them. This does not bother me a wit as it will be displayed on it's own. For those who want to know, i took rough measurements on the old cs tiger i and the new tiger i. The new tiger is 5/8" longer in the hull (no barrel), 1/8" higher, 3/8" wider (fender edge to fender edge), and the track is 1/16" wider. To answer another question of mine, the new tiger i is big but the new cs king tigers are bigger than it. The kt is an inch longer (w/o barrel), a 1/4" higher, and a 1/2" wider in the hull (fender edge to fender edge). The kt track is 1/8" wider, as well. Yes, the new cs tiger i may be over 1/30, if the old cs tiger was 1/30, but it is so impressive and fits (at last) with the current wealth of figures so well, i am thrilled with it. It is a fine effort and as the price is still so reasonable, i rate it a great buy. Now if someone at cs will learn roman numerals... -- al

Ouch !!!

 

[Blowtorch]

So to be equal we are stating the our vehicles are set to fit perfectly with industry postulated 1/30th scale figures.

I was surprised this issue never came up with the Sherman months ago. Personally I found it really refreshing to have such a large tank for the large figs.

 

[maddadicus]

I was surprised this issue never came up with the Sherman months ago. Personally I found it really refreshing to have such a large tank for the large figs.

It did, as well as the oversized Panzer 4. I ended up selling both models..Michael

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

It did, as well as the oversized Panzer 4. I ended up selling both models..Michael

Sorry to hear that...so does that mean you'll be moving on now?

 

[lancer]

Hi Brian. Just wanted to express that I think CS did a fantastic job on the new Wittmann Tiger. It is a very impressive model with a large presence. My figures now have a vehicle that truely imparts the feel of the massive Tiger. This has always been lacking with the models of the past and was a constant source of bother to me. I have already set it up in it's own display and I must say it is now, far and away, the favorite AFV I have in my collection. The fact that I now have a Tiger that "looks" correct with all the figures I own has kind of made the rest of my Tiger I collection a secondary factor, "obsolete", if you will. At any rate, I am very happy to have one of the new beasts. Thanks.{bravo}} -- Al

 

[maddadicus]

Sorry to hear that...so does that mean you'll be moving on now?

Only when you start putting 1/28 scale on your boxes. It is OK that you have your own marketing strategy to make your vehicles and figures stand alone from the other mfg. pack. But to give a false impression that all the other guys now do not offer true 1/30 scale vehicles, to actually make an early Tiger that was already 1/30 scale and tell us it was not, to falsely imply that this new improved Tiger is really 1/30 scale and it is not, all of these are sins of omission ,if not deception. I wanted so badly to believe in your mission and have a number of early CS pieces to prove it. But you went off the straight talk reservation somehow and collectors should by now at least look with a jaundice eye at any claim by any mfg. that their offerings are the absolute last word in scale and detail. The problem for any mfg. now is that the collectors can now do the online research, background, accuracy, scale measurements more completely than what most mfg. chose to do in the past. The mfg. are now paying for our once blind brand loyalty by a more discerning and informed customer who can question and debate what used to be a mfg.'s sales pitch as gospel. Buyers beware ,buy what you like, get what you pay for, but at least hold any mfg. to be upfront honest with us. Michael

 

[Jürgen_Keuppe]

I remind myself constantly, that these are still just toys. The most precise scale replications are probably the 1/35th models of Dragon and Tamiya. But I don't want to build and paint fragile models. I want to set the toys up and photograph them, or play war-games. {sm4}

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

Hi Brian. Just wanted to express that I think CS did a fantastic job on the new Wittmann Tiger. It is a very impressive model with a large presence. My figures now have a vehicle that truely imparts the feel of the massive Tiger. This has always been lacking with the models of the past and was a constant source of bother to me. I have already set it up in it's own display and I must say it is now, far and away, the favorite AFV I have in my collection. The fact that I now have a Tiger that "looks" correct with all the figures I own has kind of made the rest of my Tiger I collection a secondary factor, "obsolete", if you will. At any rate, I am very happy to have one of the new beasts. Thanks.{bravo}} -- Al

Thanks for some pretty great accolades. I too find this Tiger to be our best yet.

We knew that correcting the scale of the AFV's once and for all would also make some others unhappy ( as witnessed by some of the ongoing comments ) as they would quickly realize that other manufacturers models they had been collecting have been simply scaled up model kits: barely over 1/32nd after all of the re-work.

The scale talk has gone on ad-nauseum and no matter how many time the logic is explained, it has yet to be absorbed by all.

Finally vehicles that correctly fit the scale of the figures! And aren't we doing something right? We are selling out of most every AFV run!

In three weeks we will announce yet another heavy steel addition to our great AFV line...and again making sure scale is correct: once and for all!

Is all of the banter a bit self serving?, sure a bit, we work hard to create these great models, ^&grin

Cheers,

Brian

 

[Mitch]

Brian...

Please don't comment on ad nauseum or similar when the issues have purely been created by the round peg in a square hole that you seem to want to do over scale. The CS Tiger 1 is not by any way I can measure it 1/30th and, the comments bang on have now seemingly been changed to CS AFV's fitting industry scaled figures. We all know that the figures in this hobby are not 1/30th apart from FL and Figarti and HB the rest are 1/28th or similar.

You have fit the set in stone scales of real AFV's aside and went for variants that are scaled perfectly to the hobby's larger figures. That is very different to the bang on comment on your advertising paraphanalia and, what you have posted.

I don't think that you can criticise posters for calling you on this as has been done.

I do look forward to the Jagdpanther and to see what scale this is if you continue with this new format. Its not annoying me or others just rather bemusing as the figures just dont add up.

I do wish you well on the path you have choosen though
Mitch

 

[The Collectors Showcase]

Brian...

Please don't comment on ad nauseum or similar when the issues have purely been created by the round peg in a square hole that you seem to want to do over scale. The CS Tiger 1 is not by any way I can measure it 1/30th and, the comments bang on have now seemingly been changed to CS AFV's fitting industry scaled figures. We all know that the figures in this hobby are not 1/30th apart from FL and Figarti and HB the rest are 1/28th or similar.

You have fit the set in stone scales of real AFV's aside and went for variants that are scaled perfectly to the hobby's larger figures. That is very different to the bang on comment on your advertising paraphanalia and, what you have posted.

I don't think that you can criticise posters for calling you on this as has been done.

I do look forward to the Jagdpanther and to see what scale this is if you continue with this new format. Its not annoying me or others just rather bemusing as the figures just dont add up.

I do wish you well on the path you have choosen though
Mitch

Cheers Mitch! No thread would be complete without my Centurion!