Bondi Beach Terrorist Attack (4 Viewers)

[wayne556517]

Except, you do not see Christian believers and Jewish people going and doing terror attacks on Islamic people for what they believe like this or what has been happing in Nigeria or the Congo or on our colleges in the U.S

Still the biggest starter of Wars how many billions have died fighting over my god is better than yours.

 

[Horus]

Still the biggest starter of Wars how many billions have died fighting over my god is better than yours.

It's an odd culture and full of contradictions, such as whereas it's permissible for children to play with dolls and action figures, because their prophet allowed his child bride to play with dolls, for adults, us collectors of toy soldiers would be strongly discouraged from doing so as it can be thought of as idol worship !

Muslims kill Muslims all the time, just look at Syria where hundreds of thousands were killed, or the war between Iraq and Iran when a million or more perished, it's not a religion that teaches you to turn the other cheek, and while the West believes in tolerance, they do not.

But they much prefer conquest over those who they term infidels, and they are doing exactly that, by hook or by crook.

 

[Rutledge]

Still the biggest starter of Wars how many billions have died fighting over my god is better than yours.

Who knows all the many reasons humans have waged wars. Is “god” the biggest? No idea. God certainly wasn’t the cause of WW1, WW2, the American Civil war, the American Revolutionary War, or the Korean conflict. And those were some biggies.

Regardless, wars are started by humans, acting as humans do. “God” is not involved.

 

[Desertkiwi]

There is a 'Vigil for Bondi' being held this evening in my new adopted beach side city. Police will in attendance of course. There will be New Zealand & Australian flags, plus the Israeli flag for remembrance.

I mentioned the vigil to friends and work colleagues and the response was disappointing........words like 'you're not thinking of attending are you' or 'I'll be keeping well away from that'.

The overall inference was it will be dangerous to attend, there will be trouble etc etc...........Given what has just occurred in Bondi I was taken aback by the reactions and comments, which came from folks who had been expressing deep sorrow and horror at what had taken place.

I'm not Jewish or align myself with any particular faith, however thought this is the very time Kiwis should be standing in support of our Australian cousins and NZ Jewish community.

What gets me is the genuine fear the vigil would be attacked or is it more about not offending Muslims or other segments of our multi-cultural society?

Either way I thought their responses limp and cowardly and a reflection on how weak & pathetic some sectors of western society has become in recent years........

 

[wayne556517]

Who knows all the many reasons humans have waged wars. Is “god” the biggest? No idea. God certainly wasn’t the cause of WW1, WW2, the American Civil war, the American Revolutionary War, or the Korean conflict. And those were some biggies.

Regardless, wars are started by humans, acting as humans do. “God” is not involved.

Seriously, you believe that BS.

 

[OzDigger]

An AI view of God/Religion in Wars:

How Religion Fuels Conflict:

• "Us vs. Them" Mentality: Religions can create strong in-group identities, viewing other faiths or interpretations as threats, leading to perceived moral imperatives to fight.
• Divine Mandate: Leaders use religious texts or prophecies to justify violence as a holy duty or God's will, as seen in concepts like "holy war" or "jihad".
• Resources & Territory: Wars framed religiously, like the Crusades, were often about controlling valuable land (the Holy Land) or wealth, with faith as a powerful mobilizer.
• Political Power: Rulers often used religious differences (e.g., Catholics vs. Protestants) to consolidate power, gain autonomy, or unite their people.

Examples of Religion & War:

• The Crusades: A blend of religious fervor to reclaim holy sites and secular desires for land, prestige, and wealth.
• European Wars of Religion (16th-17th centuries): Fueled by doctrinal disputes, but also by monarchs seeking independence from papal authority.
• Modern Conflicts (e.g., Middle East): Religious elements (fundamentalism, extremism) are present, but deeply intertwined with ethnic grievances, territory, and geopolitical power struggles.

The Reality: Other Factors Often Dominate:

• Power & Resources: Most wars are driven by traditional causes like imperial ambition, economic competition, and ethnic rivalry.
• Ideologies: Secular ideologies (like Communism in Stalin's USSR or Maoist China) have also led to immense violence, notes Omnes.

In essence, Religion acts as a powerful lens, intensifier, or justification for conflict, but rarely as the singular root cause, with politics, economics, and ethnicity often being the primary drivers.

 

[wayne556517]

An AI view of God/Religion in Wars:

How Religion Fuels Conflict:

• "Us vs. Them" Mentality: Religions can create strong in-group identities, viewing other faiths or interpretations as threats, leading to perceived moral imperatives to fight.
• Divine Mandate: Leaders use religious texts or prophecies to justify violence as a holy duty or God's will, as seen in concepts like "holy war" or "jihad".
• Resources & Territory: Wars framed religiously, like the Crusades, were often about controlling valuable land (the Holy Land) or wealth, with faith as a powerful mobilizer.
• Political Power: Rulers often used religious differences (e.g., Catholics vs. Protestants) to consolidate power, gain autonomy, or unite their people.

Examples of Religion & War:

• The Crusades: A blend of religious fervor to reclaim holy sites and secular desires for land, prestige, and wealth.
• European Wars of Religion (16th-17th centuries): Fueled by doctrinal disputes, but also by monarchs seeking independence from papal authority.
• Modern Conflicts (e.g., Middle East): Religious elements (fundamentalism, extremism) are present, but deeply intertwined with ethnic grievances, territory, and geopolitical power struggles.

The Reality: Other Factors Often Dominate:

• Power & Resources: Most wars are driven by traditional causes like imperial ambition, economic competition, and ethnic rivalry.
• Ideologies: Secular ideologies (like Communism in Stalin's USSR or Maoist China) have also led to immense violence, notes Omnes.

In essence, Religion acts as a powerful lens, intensifier, or justification for conflict, but rarely as the singular root cause, with politics, economics, and ethnicity often being the primary drivers.

Must be correct then, say no more.

 

[damian]

Growing up in the seventies with lots of Jewish friends at school I remember how so many of their parents read a lot about the holocaust.
At the very "wise" age of about ten I thought that was sort of anachronistic and something from the distant past.
I mean WWII to me was like ancient history.
As for the Russian pogroms well that was a different world.
How naive was that ?
The global rise of anti Semitism that has occurred world wide over the last few years has shocked me in the extreme.
Once formerly safe countries have all encountered this terrible anti Semitism in many different forms.
This attack is just one more example and Australia one more western country which always was peaceful and safe and prosperous, which has now experienced an anti Jewish pogrom.

 

[waynepoo]

We now have the inevitable circus in media here now, it is the Governments fault, it's immigration, it's gun laws, it's Muslim hatred, it's Israeli false flag operations and it is and that, We now have the degusting spectacle of long passed and irrelevant politicians getting their dials on tv to gain points!
As I have said before I don't give a toss about Palestine or Israel, both sides commit evil in their own way. Not wanted here, keep their BS out of Australia.

 

[damian]

We now have the inevitable circus in media here now, it is the Governments fault, it's immigration, it's gun laws, it's Muslim hatred, it's Israeli false flag operations and it is and that, We now have the degusting spectacle of long passed and irrelevant politicians getting their dials on tv to gain points!
As I have said before I don't give a toss about Palestine or Israel, both sides commit evil in their own way. Not wanted here, keep their BS out of Australia.

What evil does Israel commit may I ask ?