Bondi Beach Terrorist Attack (4 Viewers)

[wayne556517]

Except, you do not see Christian believers and Jewish people going and doing terror attacks on Islamic people for what they believe like this or what has been happing in Nigeria or the Congo or on our colleges in the U.S

Still the biggest starter of Wars how many billions have died fighting over my god is better than yours.

 

[Horus]

Still the biggest starter of Wars how many billions have died fighting over my god is better than yours.

It's an odd culture and full of contradictions, such as whereas it's permissible for children to play with dolls and action figures, because their prophet allowed his child bride to play with dolls, for adults, us collectors of toy soldiers would be strongly discouraged from doing so as it can be thought of as idol worship !

Muslims kill Muslims all the time, just look at Syria where hundreds of thousands were killed, or the war between Iraq and Iran when a million or more perished, it's not a religion that teaches you to turn the other cheek, and while the West believes in tolerance, they do not.

But they much prefer conquest over those who they term infidels, and they are doing exactly that, by hook or by crook.

 

[Rutledge]

Still the biggest starter of Wars how many billions have died fighting over my god is better than yours.

Who knows all the many reasons humans have waged wars. Is “god” the biggest? No idea. God certainly wasn’t the cause of WW1, WW2, the American Civil war, the American Revolutionary War, or the Korean conflict. And those were some biggies.

Regardless, wars are started by humans, acting as humans do. “God” is not involved.

 

[Desertkiwi]

There is a 'Vigil for Bondi' being held this evening in my new adopted beach side city. Police will in attendance of course. There will be New Zealand & Australian flags, plus the Israeli flag for remembrance.

I mentioned the vigil to friends and work colleagues and the response was disappointing........words like 'you're not thinking of attending are you' or 'I'll be keeping well away from that'.

The overall inference was it will be dangerous to attend, there will be trouble etc etc...........Given what has just occurred in Bondi I was taken aback by the reactions and comments, which came from folks who had been expressing deep sorrow and horror at what had taken place.

I'm not Jewish or align myself with any particular faith, however thought this is the very time Kiwis should be standing in support of our Australian cousins and NZ Jewish community.

What gets me is the genuine fear the vigil would be attacked or is it more about not offending Muslims or other segments of our multi-cultural society?

Either way I thought their responses limp and cowardly and a reflection on how weak & pathetic some sectors of western society has become in recent years........

 

[wayne556517]

Who knows all the many reasons humans have waged wars. Is “god” the biggest? No idea. God certainly wasn’t the cause of WW1, WW2, the American Civil war, the American Revolutionary War, or the Korean conflict. And those were some biggies.

Regardless, wars are started by humans, acting as humans do. “God” is not involved.

Seriously, you believe that BS.

 

[OzDigger]

An AI view of God/Religion in Wars:

How Religion Fuels Conflict:

• "Us vs. Them" Mentality: Religions can create strong in-group identities, viewing other faiths or interpretations as threats, leading to perceived moral imperatives to fight.
• Divine Mandate: Leaders use religious texts or prophecies to justify violence as a holy duty or God's will, as seen in concepts like "holy war" or "jihad".
• Resources & Territory: Wars framed religiously, like the Crusades, were often about controlling valuable land (the Holy Land) or wealth, with faith as a powerful mobilizer.
• Political Power: Rulers often used religious differences (e.g., Catholics vs. Protestants) to consolidate power, gain autonomy, or unite their people.

Examples of Religion & War:

• The Crusades: A blend of religious fervor to reclaim holy sites and secular desires for land, prestige, and wealth.
• European Wars of Religion (16th-17th centuries): Fueled by doctrinal disputes, but also by monarchs seeking independence from papal authority.
• Modern Conflicts (e.g., Middle East): Religious elements (fundamentalism, extremism) are present, but deeply intertwined with ethnic grievances, territory, and geopolitical power struggles.

The Reality: Other Factors Often Dominate:

• Power & Resources: Most wars are driven by traditional causes like imperial ambition, economic competition, and ethnic rivalry.
• Ideologies: Secular ideologies (like Communism in Stalin's USSR or Maoist China) have also led to immense violence, notes Omnes.

In essence, Religion acts as a powerful lens, intensifier, or justification for conflict, but rarely as the singular root cause, with politics, economics, and ethnicity often being the primary drivers.

 

[wayne556517]

An AI view of God/Religion in Wars:

How Religion Fuels Conflict:

• "Us vs. Them" Mentality: Religions can create strong in-group identities, viewing other faiths or interpretations as threats, leading to perceived moral imperatives to fight.
• Divine Mandate: Leaders use religious texts or prophecies to justify violence as a holy duty or God's will, as seen in concepts like "holy war" or "jihad".
• Resources & Territory: Wars framed religiously, like the Crusades, were often about controlling valuable land (the Holy Land) or wealth, with faith as a powerful mobilizer.
• Political Power: Rulers often used religious differences (e.g., Catholics vs. Protestants) to consolidate power, gain autonomy, or unite their people.

Examples of Religion & War:

• The Crusades: A blend of religious fervor to reclaim holy sites and secular desires for land, prestige, and wealth.
• European Wars of Religion (16th-17th centuries): Fueled by doctrinal disputes, but also by monarchs seeking independence from papal authority.
• Modern Conflicts (e.g., Middle East): Religious elements (fundamentalism, extremism) are present, but deeply intertwined with ethnic grievances, territory, and geopolitical power struggles.

The Reality: Other Factors Often Dominate:

• Power & Resources: Most wars are driven by traditional causes like imperial ambition, economic competition, and ethnic rivalry.
• Ideologies: Secular ideologies (like Communism in Stalin's USSR or Maoist China) have also led to immense violence, notes Omnes.

In essence, Religion acts as a powerful lens, intensifier, or justification for conflict, but rarely as the singular root cause, with politics, economics, and ethnicity often being the primary drivers.

Must be correct then, say no more.

 

[damian]

Growing up in the seventies with lots of Jewish friends at school I remember how so many of their parents read a lot about the holocaust.
At the very "wise" age of about ten I thought that was sort of anachronistic and something from the distant past.
I mean WWII to me was like ancient history.
As for the Russian pogroms well that was a different world.
How naive was that ?
The global rise of anti Semitism that has occurred world wide over the last few years has shocked me in the extreme.
Once formerly safe countries have all encountered this terrible anti Semitism in many different forms.
This attack is just one more example and Australia one more western country which always was peaceful and safe and prosperous, which has now experienced an anti Jewish pogrom.

 

[waynepoo]

We now have the inevitable circus in media here now, it is the Governments fault, it's immigration, it's gun laws, it's Muslim hatred, it's Israeli false flag operations and it is and that, We now have the degusting spectacle of long passed and irrelevant politicians getting their dials on tv to gain points!
As I have said before I don't give a toss about Palestine or Israel, both sides commit evil in their own way. Not wanted here, keep their BS out of Australia.

 

[damian]

We now have the inevitable circus in media here now, it is the Governments fault, it's immigration, it's gun laws, it's Muslim hatred, it's Israeli false flag operations and it is and that, We now have the degusting spectacle of long passed and irrelevant politicians getting their dials on tv to gain points!
As I have said before I don't give a toss about Palestine or Israel, both sides commit evil in their own way. Not wanted here, keep their BS out of Australia.

What evil does Israel commit may I ask ?

 

[wayne556517]

We now have the inevitable circus in media here now, it is the Governments fault, it's immigration, it's gun laws, it's Muslim hatred, it's Israeli false flag operations and it is and that, We now have the degusting spectacle of long passed and irrelevant politicians getting their dials on tv to gain points!
As I have said before I don't give a toss about Palestine or Israel, both sides commit evil in their own way. Not wanted here, keep their BS out of Australia.

Well said mate

 

[waynepoo]

How about this, as of 19 November 2025, over 72,500 people (70,525 Palestinians and 2,109 Israelis) have been reported killed in the Gaza war according to the Gaza Health Ministry (GHM) and Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, including 248 journalists and media workers, 120 academics, and over 224 humanitarian aid workers, a number that includes 179 employees of UNRWA. Scholars have estimated 80% of Palestinians killed are civilians. A study by OHCHR, which verified fatalities from three independent sources, found that 70% of the Palestinians killed in residential buildings or similar housing were women and children. I could also the evil done by Palestinians. Again both sides are to blame...

 

[damian]

And the Jewish celebrants at Bondi last week or the people at madi gras in New Orleans last year or dare I say the 2000 in New York 24 years ago ?
I do not think there is moral equivalence.

 

[Panzer ace]

How about this, as of 19 November 2025, over 72,500 people (70,525 Palestinians and 2,109 Israelis) have been reported killed in the Gaza war according to the Gaza Health Ministry (GHM) and Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs, including 248 journalists and media workers, 120 academics, and over 224 humanitarian aid workers, a number that includes 179 employees of UNRWA. Scholars have estimated 80% of Palestinians killed are civilians. A study by OHCHR, which verified fatalities from three independent sources, found that 70% of the Palestinians killed in residential buildings or similar housing were women and children. I could also the evil done by Palestinians. Again both sides are to blame...

These numbers are unverifiable.

Even if they were, all of this is in response to Hamas’ October 7 atrocities. Israel is not seeking the death of civilians, they are seeking the end of the terrorism.

None of what you mentioned happens without the cowardice of Hamas on that fateful day.

 

[waynepoo]

They have been waring since 1948, and without any doubt both sides are guilty of terrible deeds......

 

[Panzer ace]

The Jewish deeds that you seem to simply qualify as terrible are reactions to an attempt to extinguish their existence.

 

[Horus]

I don't see why these attacks on unarmed Australian civilians have anything to do with the defensive war Israel waged against Gaza, while the Israelis metaphorically kept one hand at their side.
Claims of genocide are wildly out of proportion with the effort Israel has gone to, to limit the casualties there and with genocide the population goes down, not up !
Back to Australia, these were the evil attacks by two people who had a hatred for their new country, though like all of these people, they only consider the hole they came from with it's dark age mentality their home.
Their favourite targets always being those without means to defend, as these warped prople attack and kill as they did in Paris at a concert, and again in Manchester against a hall filled with little girls.
No excuses for this, these Islamic terrorists are evil.

Only one real way to stop these islamic terrorist attacks and that's mass deportation of this religion back to their homelands before much more of this happens. Because it will. Violence to intimidate, to control, to conquer, to occupy is their aim and Jews are only the first target, atheists, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and everything in-between are all in their sights be they straight, homosexual, or identify as a cat !
Wake up and face the facts.

 

[wayne556517]

And here we have it, a religious war

 

[Horus]

And here we have it, a religious war

Unfortunately yes, it is one group that is so intolerant of all others, that eventually only something like that would work, other than wider civil disturbance, leading to crack downs and the loss of liberties you now take for granted.
As everyone knows, everytime you go somewhere in cities, there are now the bollards and barriers and other security measures that have been installed mostly in the last twenty five years and cost the tax payers millions every year as they are installed in more and more places, with laws being changed to curtail freedoms that people had up to now, hadn't given a second thought to, as they are removed.

And with more money being spent on that, less is spent on other things that we all notice, but don't think as being connected such as pot holes not being repaired or rubbish not being cleared away leading to the increase in the rat population.

If I come over as sounding quite bullish, this isn't the intention. Just that without something drastic being done, I don't see how things can improve.

 

[tdubel]

They have been waring since 1948, and without any doubt both sides are guilty of terrible deeds......

I am only responding once more to your BS drivel because as I said, you and those who think like you are the problem, sorry but you are. Get a clue and understand history. When you have been under attack since 1948, that is a 1 ONE 1 sided warring or aggression. Israel is not going out daily/annually and invading their neighbors. They are the ones being invaded, how fudgeing hard of a concept is that for you to understand?

As to the latest, Israel should have made Gaza a parking lot many many years ago and given the Palestinians their river to the sea, it just would have been a paved one that didn't require their attendance.