Bondi Beach Terrorist Attack (1 Viewer)

wayne556517 said:
Seriously, you believe that BS.
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What BS? Humans start wars and have since the dawn of time. They are not all religious, they involved expansion, hatred (aka Russia Ukraine), conquest, necessity and many other reasons including the all of the above choice. I think Rutlege's post was pretty on point.
 
OzDigger said:
An AI view of God/Religion in Wars:

How Religion Fuels Conflict:
  • "Us vs. Them" Mentality: Religions can create strong in-group identities, viewing other faiths or interpretations as threats, leading to perceived moral imperatives to fight.
  • Divine Mandate: Leaders use religious texts or prophecies to justify violence as a holy duty or God's will, as seen in concepts like "holy war" or "jihad".
  • Resources & Territory: Wars framed religiously, like the Crusades, were often about controlling valuable land (the Holy Land) or wealth, with faith as a powerful mobilizer.
  • Political Power: Rulers often used religious differences (e.g., Catholics vs. Protestants) to consolidate power, gain autonomy, or unite their people.
Examples of Religion & War:
  • The Crusades: A blend of religious fervor to reclaim holy sites and secular desires for land, prestige, and wealth.
  • European Wars of Religion (16th-17th centuries): Fueled by doctrinal disputes, but also by monarchs seeking independence from papal authority.
  • Modern Conflicts (e.g., Middle East): Religious elements (fundamentalism, extremism) are present, but deeply intertwined with ethnic grievances, territory, and geopolitical power struggles.
The Reality: Other Factors Often Dominate:
  • Power & Resources: Most wars are driven by traditional causes like imperial ambition, economic competition, and ethnic rivalry.
  • Ideologies: Secular ideologies (like Communism in Stalin's USSR or Maoist China) have also led to immense violence, notes Omnes.
In essence, Religion acts as a powerful lens, intensifier, or justification for conflict, but rarely as the singular root cause, with politics, economics, and ethnicity often being the primary drivers.
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wayne556517 said:
Must be correct then, say no more.
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It's interesting to note that AI started with; 'How Religion Fuels Conflict', which it certainly does, and I believe the World would be a better place without Religion, All of Them.

I am a firm supporter of the 'Separation of Church and State' and IMO there is no place in Australian Government for State support of Any Religion.

If you choose to live in Australia, Leave your Past Behind, We Don't want your Problems here.
 
First it is no BS drivel, its is fact. you in fact should read more history, no side is innocent here....fact!!!!!!
 
wayne556517 said:
Impossible mate because god/gods don't exist.
Men fighting wats over who has the Best God has been and still is going on today.
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Hey you’re free to BELIEVE there is no God(s). Be my guest. But you cant prove it. Moreover, by not believing in a higher power, you then must believe that the entire universe created itself, from nothing; That the immutable laws of the universe, ala quantum physics, gravity, etc., created themselves; and that its possible for life to birth itself from non-life…Among many other improbabilities, which I’m sure you’ve pondered deeply. Personally, to me it takes more faith to believe all that than it does to believe in a God.

PS I respect your right to believe in the idea of the multiverse — in which literally everything that can exist, does. So, in fact, if there is a multiverse, somewhere two pink elephants are having this exact same discussion….🤪

PSS Men have fought brutal wars over a single woman! (See Helen). They’ll fight over a ham sandwich if given the opportunity.
 
waynepoo said:
First it is no BS drivel, its is fact. you in fact should read more history, no side is innocent here....fact!!!!!!
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Wrong wrong and just wrong. Israel has only defended itself against aggression. I know of no Israeli invasion ever. Israel has never started a war but they do finish them nicely.
 
waynepoo said:
No side in this is innocent...again do some research
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Whatever. I have done mine and stated it. Let me know when you document a war Israel started. I won't hold my breath. Let me guess your next fact will be the Jews were responsible for WW2.
 
I call BS. If you think Israel is the problem then continue on your way. Personally I am just going to call it like I see it, if you believe in what you have posted then I believe you are an anti semite. One of the beauties of free speech. Amazing how it works.
 
Exactly, war brings out the worse of mankind......if both sides believe the only way is attack each other then they're doomed....I don't support either.
 
Lads I think we can all agree that what took place on bondi beach was a hideous, murderous act of grotesque violence perpetrated against unarmed civilians by some truly sick Islamic fanatic’s..........
 
Desertkiwi said:
Lads I think we can all agree that what took place on bondi beach was a hideous, murderous act of grotesque violence perpetrated against unarmed civilians by some truly sick Islamic fanatic’s..........
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Yes Mate, no more debate from me. But we can still have a debate, which we should be thankful for, many can't in this world with out big brother watching. "Imagine....John Lennon."
 
waynepoo said:
Exactly, war brings out the worse of mankind......if both sides believe the only way is attack each other then they're doomed....I don't support either.
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Seriously? So, in a war, you expect each side should consider, ya know, those fellas aren’t so bad. Think I’ll see if any of em want to grab a bite….

Good lord. That’s not the way war works, now is it? We all recognize it’s a horrible way to settle disagreements. But they’ve been happening for thousands of years and show no signs of going away.

If your notion is to partake in a toy soldier forum and use it as a platform to argue for peace love and good will toward men…well these are fine concepts but this isn’t the place for it.
 
Rutledge said:
Hey you’re free to BELIEVE there is no God(s). Be my guest. But you cant prove it. Moreover, by not believing in a higher power, you then must believe that the entire universe created itself, from nothing; That the immutable laws of the universe, ala quantum physics, gravity, etc., created themselves; and that its possible for life to birth itself from non-life…Among many other improbabilities, which I’m sure you’ve pondered deeply. Personally, to me it takes more faith to believe all that than it does to believe in a God.

PS I respect your right to believe in the idea of the multiverse — in which literally everything that can exist, does. So, in fact, if there is a multiverse, somewhere two pink elephants are having this exact same discussion….🤪

PSS Men have fought brutal wars over a single woman! (See Helen). They’ll fight over a ham sandwich if given the opportunity.
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And after you long winded answer you can't prove God excist, millions have died for their Gods a simple fact.
More chance of seeing a pink elephant than your god.
 
Rutledge said:
Seriously? So, in a war, you expect each side should consider, ya know, those fellas aren’t so bad. Think I’ll see if any of em want to grab a bite….

Good lord. That’s not the way war works, now is it? We all recognize it’s a horrible way to settle disagreements. But they’ve been happening for thousands of years and show no signs of going away.

If your notion is to partake in a toy soldier forum and use it as a platform to argue for peace love and good will toward men…well these are fine concepts but this isn’t the place for it.
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I think your mis-interpreting what Wayne is saying, plus he has every right to express an opinion whether you agree with it or not. Yes this has become a lively debate and in my opinion veered away from the thread topic somewhat, however lets not turn on each other here.

I have huge respect for many on TF and count a number as mates and close friends.

Some may not fully appreciate the true impact the Bondi beach massacre has had on us ANZAC’s.

For starters our gun culture is very different to other parts of the western world and we tend to be more care-free and forgiving than some. We are young nations in terms of Europe or the US, however answered the call and fought and sacrificed when called upon.

Religious intolerance is on the rise, stoked by pathetically weak leadership in the west, driven by leftist ideology, guilt over colonisation and a ridiculous attempt to rewrite history and the preserved ills of the past.

History has taught us Islam and the Christian faith are not compatible and any attempts to assimilate typically end in violence and the slaughter of many.

I may have this wrong, but my take on what Wayne is trying to say is that the Muslim nutters can sod off and play their pathetic death cult games else-where…….and I would whole heartedly agree.
 
waynepoo said:
Can't you read? Yes I believe both sides are the problem, but unlike you I don't insult one for exercising that right of free speech! A sign of intolerance......you make my point.
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Facts are not an insult. I read quite well both currently and historically. I would suggest you challenge your own comprehension of history and Israel and quit putting them on the same level as terrorists. That is an insult in of itself and if you cant see that, I feel sorry for you.
 
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