Bondi Beach Terrorist Attack (3 Viewers)

[OzDigger]

 

[tdubel]

I doubt very much that any Australians consider Israel is on the same 'Terrorist' level as Muslims and we have seen on our TVs where Muslims shouted 'Gas the Jews' etc at recent national events. However as you may know, Israel has a history of 'aquiring' land from Muslims and untaking military action to retain it. My Grandfather served in the Middle East during WWI, including Military Policing of Aussie Soldiers and the 'Natives', he didn't see any Jews there, all the locals were Muslims/Arabs, or at least they were in the Vast Majority. Subsequently Muslims have tried to take their land back with military action but keep losing. What other choice do they have, Guerrilla actions are not confined to Muslims. I am certainly not condoning their Terrorist actions, but can 'kind of' understand their motivation. And most Religious Books are Hard Core Against other Religions Etc, it's not confined to Muslims.

And you have to view comments from most Aussies based on the fact that most don't believe there is a god, combine that with a very upsetting Terrorist action in a place that most Australians hold 'sacred', for want of a better word. Then don't be surpised why many Australians are now thinking; Why does our Government support these varied Religious groups, they only bring Aggravation and Misery, not the Hope and Good Will that their Dogma Professes. Now our Government wants to crack down on Guns as they are too gutless to adopt a more effective response, and I'm really Pi$$ed Off about that.

Long story short Israel has only "acquired" land when they have been attacked, they kick said attackers rear end then they keep the land as a buffer. Again they are not the aggressor. As I said it is not a gray area, their is only one group who is responsible for these disasters and it is Muslim terrorists. No ifs ands or but about it.

 

[Rutledge]

Well of course you're not going to change your mind despite all the Scientific Evidence, you have experienced a Lifetime of Indoctrination, similar to most Muslims

At least Stop with the 'Multiversing' Dude, very few Scientists think that's 'a thing'.

However, I will agree with you on One thing, as do most Scientists. The Universe is a Very Hostile environment, Solar Sytems where multicellular, especially 'Intelligent' life, is able to develop is likely to be Extremely Rare, we are indeed Special on Earth.

You’re way off base here, hoss. (First thing, do not ever again say I’m similar to a Muslim. Ever. Things will get very ugly, very fast if you do, even “in jest”.)

Until about 10 years ago I was very non-religious, agnostic, mostly, not quite atheist, but nearly. At one point I even attended a local debate featuring Christopher Hitchens and had him sign a copy of his most recent book. So to say that I’ve been under the influence of a “lifetime of indoctrination” is an obvious falsehood made up by you to fit your preferred narrative. The reasons for my turnaround are complex and not up for discussion.

That said, you then missed by a mile why I came to be a believer in God. It’s BECAUSE of the science — not despite it. I repeat. Because OF the science. I’ve already referenced some of the major issues. What caused the Big Bang? The law of cause and effect is immutable. Things don’t cause themselves. The fine tuning of the universe. This delves mostly into the world of quantum mechanics. You know, the double slit experiment/Schrodeinger’s cat, the ironically titled “god particle” discovered at CERN, etc. Or maybe you don’t… And of course the origin of life. No scientist life has ever proven of demonstrated that life can spontaneously spring from non biological matter. Though lord knows they’ve tried — in labs. Nonetheless the primordial ooze hypothesis is still nothing but a lifeless mud puddle.

There are many many other scientific-based arguments that support the idea of a God. I’m not going to duplicate them here. There are plenty of books on the subject should you eject to read up on it. I’m quite sure you won’t.

Steven Hawking was one of the early sponsors of the multiverse. Perhaps you’re familiar? . Anyway. If you don’t believe in god, fine by me. Just don’t demean my belief as non scientific or say it’s based on my having a weak mind and succumbing to propaganda.

 

[OzDigger]

You’re way off base here, hoss. (First thing, do not ever again say I’m similar to a Muslim. Ever. Things will get very ugly, very fast if you do, even “in jest”.)

Until about 10 years ago I was very non-religious, agnostic, mostly, not quite atheist, but nearly. At one point I even attended a local debate featuring Christopher Hitchens and had him sign a copy of his most recent book. So to say that I’ve been under the influence of a “lifetime of indoctrination” is an obvious falsehood made up by you to fit your preferred narrative. The reasons for my turnaround are complex and not up for discussion.

That said, you then missed by a mile why I came to be a believer in God. It’s BECAUSE of the science — not despite it. I repeat. Because OF the science. I’ve already referenced some of the major issues. What caused the Big Bang? The law of cause and effect is immutable. Things don’t cause themselves. The fine tuning of the universe. This delves mostly into the world of quantum mechanics. You know, the double slit experiment/Schrodeinger’s cat, the ironically titled “god particle” discovered at CERN, etc. Or maybe you don’t… And of course the origin of life. No scientist life has ever proven of demonstrated that life can spontaneously spring from non biological matter. Though lord knows they’ve tried — in labs. Nonetheless the primordial ooze hypothesis is still nothing but a lifeless mud puddle.

There are many many other scientific-based arguments that support the idea of a God. I’m not going to duplicate them here. There are plenty of books on the subject should you eject to read up on it. I’m quite sure you won’t.

Steven Hawking was one of the early sponsors of the multiverse. Perhaps you’re familiar? . Anyway. If you don’t believe in god, fine by me. Just don’t demean my belief as non scientific or say it’s based on my having a weak mind and

Jew, Muslim, Christian, or whatever, all the same to most Australians. It doesn't matter how you aquired your delusions, just keep them out of our country.

Long story short Israel has only "acquired" land when they have been attacked, they kick said attackers rear end then they keep the land as a buffer. Again they are not the aggressor. As I said it is not a gray area, their is only one group who is responsible for these disasters and it is Muslim terrorists. No ifs ands or but about it.

Try reading some 'correct' history.

 

[damian]

Regardless of whether God exists, or the rights and wrongs of the middle east conflict, there does seem to be one common factor to all these attacks on innocent people going about their business.
Twin towers, Manchester arena, Bataclan theatre, New Orleans Madi Gras, Christmas market attacks, and now Bondi beach.

 

[OzDigger]

Regardless of whether God exists, or the rights and wrongs of the middle east conflict, there does seem to be one common factor to all these attacks on innocent people going about their business.
Twin towers, Manchester arena, Bataclan theatre, New Orleans Madi Gras, Christmas market attacks, and now Bondi beach.

I have to admit it's easy to blame 'Religion' and obviously we can point the finger at 'The Muslims', but all the above attacks were caused by Fanatics, and they seem to be multiplying.

For example, locally we recently had a Brazilian tourist that drove a car into a group of people, killing One woman, all because some teenagers upset him earlier;

Now Australians are asking 'what's next', Zombies

 

[Napoleon1er]

Nice to know who I can trust on here, and good to see that includes all the folks I have met in the flesh.

 

[Horus]

Regardless of whether God exists, or the rights and wrongs of the middle east conflict, there does seem to be one common factor to all these attacks on innocent people going about their business.
Twin towers, Manchester arena, Bataclan theatre, New Orleans Madi Gras, Christmas market attacks, and now Bondi beach.

Muslims always go on about wanting to be martyrs, but they so often go for targets that are defenceless, with little girls, women, people who can offer the least resistance their preferred ones.
In gangs and groups and that by the way is their strength as they always stand by each other in situations, where they come into contact with non muslims as they do in the ever growing muslim prison population, with so many of them being wrong un's.

 

[OzDigger]

Muslims always go on about wanting to be martyrs, but they so often go for targets that are defenceless, with little girls, women, people who can offer the least resistance their preferred ones.
In gangs and groups and that by the way is their strength as they always stand by each other in situations, where they come into contact with non muslims as they do in the ever growing muslim prison population, with so many of them being wrong un's.

Steve, that does bring a sad reality into this discussion, both my sons know me as being the 'devils advocate' as I always try and see things from all sides, but there's no way to condone someone deliberately aiming numerous bullets into a child and similar 'soft' targets.

As for some comments by other forum members, my Grandfather fought the Turks in Gallipoli, Egypt and the Palistine Line of Communications etc in WWI, and my Father was a Bomb Aimer/Navigator in a Pathfinder Lancaster bomber against the Nazis in WW2.

Despite their obvious personal conflicts with those 'enemies', did they continue or instil in their children a hatred against Muslims and Germans after those wars, clearly the answer is NO, as they were both intelligent humans that understood that even 'good people' can be made to do the 'wrong thing'.

 

[Horus]

Steve, that does bring a sad reality into this discussion, both my sons know me as being the 'devils advocate' as I always try and see things from all sides, but there's no way to condone someone deliberately aiming numerous bullets into a child and similar 'soft' targets.

As for some comments by other forum members, my Grandfather fought the Turks in Gallipoli, Egypt and the Palistine Line of Communications etc in WWI, and my Father was a Bomb Aimer/Navigator in a Pathfinder Lancaster bomber against the Nazis in WW2.

Despite their obvious personal conflicts with those 'enemies', did they continue or instil in their children a hatred against Muslims and Germans after those wars, clearly the answer is NO, as they were both intelligent humans that understood that even 'good people' can be made to do the 'wrong thing'.

Matt, I too will often play the devil's advocate and look to see the thinking of the other side, but when you have fifty three countries in the world who all bring their children up to detest Jews and any misfortune that happens to them to be an event to celebrate and the USA is included right at the top of the pile with the rest of Europe right below them, you do have to wonder about their look on life, which they so proudly proclaim a hatred for, unlike Jews and the rest of us, who much prefer life !

Individual muslims may only want for a better life for themselves, but when you have a gathering of them, their ages old hatred soon surfaces and instead of reaping the benefits of living in the west, they act against it and turn it into copies of the holes they come from.

 

[OzDigger]

Matt, I too will often play the devil's advocate and look to see the thinking of the other side, but when you have fifty three countries in the world who all bring their children up to detest Jews and any misfortune that happens to them to be an event to celebrate and the USA is included right at the top of the pile with the rest of Europe right below them, you do have to wonder about their look on life, which they so proudly proclaim a hatred for, unlike Jews and the rest of us, who much prefer life !

Individual muslims may only want for a better life for themselves, but when you have a gathering of them, their ages old hatred soon surfaces and instead of reaping the benefits of living in the west, they act against it and turn it into copies of the holes they come from.

Steve, like most Australians I haven't had much to do with Muslims, as well as Jews, on a personal basis.

I just see the results of 'their issues' played out on our media. And To Be Frank, like most Aussies, I've had a Gut Full lately, I don't care who's right, who's wrong, they can all PI$$OFF back to their own Sad countries, the sooner the better.