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I still say it was on purpose.Look at Beijing and Shanghai,hardy a case but millions left Wuhun going all over the world.Their economy was hurting badly disrupting their goal of becoming the #1 superpower in the world.
Mark

Mark, sadly we may never know. That said, the one fact that is not disputed is the fact that it came from China. Make of that what you will, but end of day, if ever any blame should be laid whether it was on purpose, fluke, accident, ETC ETC, the fact still remains, it came from China and that bears the ultimate responsiblity.

I usually would say IMO, but in this case I believe this to be settled fact.

Multi post here - Louis glad your family is on the mend and safe.

Tom
 
Tom,

Thank you, my friend! I hope you are your family are healthy and safe as well. That goes for everyone here on the forum, and all of your families!
 
I try and avoid China Virus related items on TV etc as it gets too depressing after a while.

However it really sucks when you have forum friends like Louis and George that have had their lives personally affected by it. As Australia hasn't been as badly affected as some countries I was hoping that I wouldn't have any family issues with the Virus. However I have recently been told my favourite Auntie is in a Nursing Home West of Sydney N.S.W, where over 30 residents have the virus, Two have died so far. Apparently one of the Carers didn't know she had the Virus and was working in several homes before being detected. I assumed all such workers would have at least their temps taken before each shift, but apparently that isn't always the case :mad:
 
Matt,

I hope your Aunt will avoid the virus and be all right. Here in the United States, nursing homes and prisons are the biggest hot spots for the virus. Apparently they did not think to test the people working in the nursing homes when they started their shifts, and once the elderly were infected, it spread like wildfire.
 
Thank you Louis, a similar thing happened here with people returning to Australia on Cruise ships. They just let the passengers loose into the community, which caused a spike in infections. I hope the cruise ship owners get their A$$e$ Sued!
 
There is going to be much finger pointing when this virus is brought under some semblance of control. A lot of that pointing will be aimed directly at China and there will be an ever increasing clamour, not from governments I suspect but more media fuelled, to boycott products made in China or at the very least consider alternatives.

This hobby shows that many of us, myself included, have up until now had no qualms about buying products manufactured in China. Whether, as individuals, this continues to be the case is perhaps open to question.

Are there any major TS companies that don't manufacture in China out of interest? I genuinely don't know.
 
It's not the Chinese themselves that people don't like as they seem to be good hard working people,it's their government that's the problem and I think they would go to any length to get what they want.The Chinese throughout their history have never really had freedom which is a shame.
Mark
 
It's not the Chinese themselves that people don't like as they seem to be good hard working people,it's their government that's the problem and I think they would go to any length to get what they want.The Chinese throughout their history have never really had freedom which is a shame.
Mark
True.....I have worked with many Chinese companies both selling to and buying from. When they come to the USA they are amazed at our freedoms, especially to criticize our government and have free elections.
But they are proud of how they have become an industrial and economic power in a relatively short time. Many are willing to sacrifice some of their freedoms for security and economic stability. I doubt they will
ever become a capitalist Democracy like ours and with 1.5 Billion people to feed our system might not work there anyway.
 
There is going to be much finger pointing when this virus is brought under some semblance of control. A lot of that pointing will be aimed directly at China and there will be an ever increasing clamour, not from governments I suspect but more media fuelled, to boycott products made in China or at the very least consider alternatives.

This hobby shows that many of us, myself included, have up until now had no qualms about buying products manufactured in China. Whether, as individuals, this continues to be the case is perhaps open to question.

Are there any major TS companies that don't manufacture in China out of interest? I genuinely don't know.


No country can invent everything, produce everything, grow everything or have all the natural resources they need. That's why import and export are important for every modern economy.

But if at all possible countries need to keep certain critical essentials produced in their own nation. High tech components needed for medical and military applications, life saving medications,

communication and data processing equipment along with necessary software for example should not be reliant on foreign production.

In the 70's all my military electronics customers were instructed by the government to buy only American made components. But more and more of the lower tech products went over to Japan and

Europe, then Korea, Taiwan and China. So there was no choice but for these makers to buy foreign components. We did keep many of the highest technology components here in the US but without

the commodity products you couldn't finish the assemblies anyway.

Not smart to rely on other countries, especially those with a potential for conflict, to build your military and technical infrastructure.

This Pandemic should teach us that we need to bolster domestic manufacturing of critical products even if we have to subsidize the makers.

No problem for toys, clothing and consumer goods to be made overseas to keep the costs down, however.
 
Part of the problem with having certain products made overseas or not in your country of residence is cost, both in labor and materials. Products can be made cheaper overseas and domestic industries simply cannot compete with these companies unless, as Rich notes, they are subsidized. For example, the US once had a thriving textile industry. Most of it has gone overseas.

However, with the Coronavirus, companies will now be looking to see what they can move back to their country.
 
It's not the Chinese themselves that people don't like as they seem to be good hard working people,it's their government that's the problem and I think they would go to any length to get what they want.The Chinese throughout their history have never really had freedom which is a shame.
Mark

I'm not so sure about that, it seems to me that individual Chinese are quite willing to copy products made in other countries for local use and export. This occurs at the village level thru small and medium sized factories up to large factories producing copies of major items such as motor vehicles.

The Chinese government not only encourages these tactics it uses whatever barriers it can to allow the continuation of these unlawful practices. And of course they don't have the the laws in place to ensure their locally produced items are made to correct or safe specifications. Which is why even the local Chinese people are reluctant to purchase certain locally made products, especially food stuffs. Personally I don't buy any food products made in China or via Backdoor import Countries such as New Zealand. For example I don't buy Heinz Baked Beans made in NZ, I buy SPC or similar Australian branded foodstuffs, it's not worth the risk to do otherwise.
 
I'm not so sure about that, it seems to me that individual Chinese are quite willing to copy products made in other countries for local use and export. This occurs at the village level thru small and medium sized factories up to large factories producing copies of major items such as motor vehicles.

The Chinese government not only encourages these tactics it uses whatever barriers it can to allow the continuation of these unlawful practices. And of course they don't have the the laws in place to ensure their locally produced items are made to correct or safe specifications. Which is why even the local Chinese people are reluctant to purchase certain locally made products, especially food stuffs. Personally I don't buy any food products made in China or via Backdoor import Countries such as New Zealand. For example I don't buy Heinz Baked Beans made in NZ, I buy SPC or similar Australian branded foodstuffs, it's not worth the risk to do otherwise.

I appreciate you wanting to support locally made produce, but if the label states it's made in NZ then it is.

We have strict labelling laws requiring items to list their origins. If an item is imported from overseas but then packed here, the food label is required to state that.

Our supermarket chains are closely aligned with Australia and Aussie produced food is popular, especially red wine!
^&grin

China on the other hand is a totally different story.

in 2008 a huge milk powder scandal erupted in China, where it was discovered a Chinese company importing NZ milk powder had been adding 'Melamine' to the milk powder to short change the public. It resulted with at least 6x babies dying and thousands more babies becoming very ill. A number of Chinese officials were arrested and 2x executed. Ironically the Chinese official who exposed the scandal was found dead in 2012 with multiple stab wounds. Funny that.

I have absolutely no faith in the Chinese ability to report anything remotely truthfully and have serious questions relating to the head of the WHO.

Next thing they'll want to enforce compulsory vaccinations of everyone.
 
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I appreciate you wanting to support locally made produce, but if the label states it's made in NZ then it is.

We have strict labeling laws requiring items to list their origins. If an item is imported from overseas but then packed here, the food label is required to state that.

Our supermarket chains are closely aligned with Australia and Aussie produced food is popular, especially red wine!
^&grin

China on the other hand is a totally different story.

in 2008 a huge milk powder scandal erupted in China, where it was discovered a Chinese company importing NZ milk powder had been adding 'Melamine' to the milk powder to short change the public. It resulted with at least 6x babies dying and thousands more babies becoming very ill. A number of Chinese officials were arrested and 2x executed. Ironically the Chinese official who exposed the scandal was found dead in 2012 with multiple stab wounds. Funny that.

I have absolutely no faith in the Chinese ability to report anything remotely truthfully and have serious questions relating to the head of the WHO.

Next thing they'll want to enforce compulsory vaccinations of everyone.

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It's no real fault of NZ, this issue started when the Trans-Tasman Mutual Recognition Arrangement was introduced (see below).

It has created a loophole whereby China, and other Countries export vegetables etc to New Zealand in bulk where they are processed and repackaged with or without additional NZ produce.

Yes the packaging should be marked appropriately when items imported to NZ are added however this is not always the case. Consequently some of the vegetables included in the New Zealand McCain Pizzas or Watties/Heinz Baked Beans etc we buy in Australia may not have actually been grown in NZ, just processed there. And of course buyers in Australia don't always read the labels even when NZ products are correctly labeled, they just assume it's all made in NZ.
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[h=1]The Trans-Tasman Mutual Recognition Arrangement (TTMRA) is a non-Treaty arrangement between the Australian (Commonwealth), state and territory governments of Australia and the Government of New Zealand, under the Trans-Tasman Mutual Recognition Act 1997.[/h]

T he Department of Industry, Innovation and Science administers the TTMRA as it relates to goods, including food.
The key operating principle of the TTMRA is mutual recognition. Provided food produced or imported into one country meets that country's food standards, it may be legally sold in the other country. In practice, this means that most food exported to Australia from New Zealand is not assessed for compliance with Australian food standards, and vice versa.
Both countries share food standards and imported food control systems which are designed to protect public health and safety to a high level.
This means that under the TTMRA most risk food and all surveillance food from New Zealand are not subject to the requirements of the Imported Food Control Act 1992 (the Act).
Note that Australian biosecurity requirements still apply to food from New Zealand.
In order to be exempt from inspection under the provisions of the Act, food imported from New Zealand must comply with the TTMRA principles whereby the food:

  • must be grown, harvested and produced in or imported into New Zealand
  • must comply with New Zealand food laws, and
  • must be labelled at the point of sale with the importers name and business address in Australia or New Zealand.
[h=2]Food subject to inspection and testing?[/h]Under the Act, some foods imported from New Zealand are subject to inspection and testing. These are:

  • beef
  • beef products
  • cassava chips that are ready-to-eat
  • seaweed- brown only
  • all foods which are trans-shipped through New Zealand ( that is product is not 'cleared' for sale in New Zealand).



 
I have absolutely no faith in the Chinese ability to report anything remotely truthfully and have serious questions relating to the head of the WHO.

In the USA, I have no confidence in "the big media" to report anything that reflects poorly on the PRC. I get the impression that its management is on the payroll by virtue of their financial ties to the communist regime. Same deal with a lot of prominent American politicians, left and right. I'd like to think that the severity of the current crisis will lead to meaningful reforms, but, given the 9-11 experience, I'm not particularly hopeful.

-Moe
 
In the USA, I have no confidence in "the big media" to report anything that reflects poorly on the PRC. I get the impression that its management is on the payroll by virtue of their financial ties to the communist regime. Same deal with a lot of prominent American politicians, left and right. I'd like to think that the severity of the current crisis will lead to meaningful reforms, but, given the 9-11 experience, I'm not particularly hopeful.

-Moe

In the USA, I have no confidence in "the big media" to report anything . . . accurately!:rolleyes2:
 
In the USA, I have no confidence in "the big media" to report anything . . . accurately!:rolleyes2:

That's why we need to support our local small newspaper. Our local paper is getting skinnier and skinnier. Local ads are far less due to the internet. People writing letters to the editor saying they will cancel their subscription. The Corona makes it much worse. I, for one, will support my local paper till the end. If we don't, scandal and corruption will be swept under the rug. Also we won't have human interest stuff that makes us feel that the world is okay.
 
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It's no real fault of NZ, this issue started when the Trans-Tasman Mutual Recognition Arrangement was introduced (see below).

It has created a loophole whereby China, and other Countries export vegetables etc to New Zealand in bulk where they are processed and repackaged with or without additional NZ produce.

Yes the packaging should be marked appropriately when items imported to NZ are added however this is not always the case. Consequently some of the vegetables included in the New Zealand McCain Pizzas or Watties/Heinz Baked Beans etc we buy in Australia may not have actually been grown in NZ, just processed there. And of course buyers in Australia don't always read the labels even when NZ products are correctly labeled, they just assume it's all made in NZ.



The Trans-Tasman Mutual Recognition Arrangement (TTMRA) is a non-Treaty arrangement between the Australian (Commonwealth), state and territory governments of Australia and the Government of New Zealand, under the Trans-Tasman Mutual Recognition Act 1997.


T he Department of Industry, Innovation and Science administers the TTMRA as it relates to goods, including food.
The key operating principle of the TTMRA is mutual recognition. Provided food produced or imported into one country meets that country's food standards, it may be legally sold in the other country. In practice, this means that most food exported to Australia from New Zealand is not assessed for compliance with Australian food standards, and vice versa.
Both countries share food standards and imported food control systems which are designed to protect public health and safety to a high level.
This means that under the TTMRA most risk food and all surveillance food from New Zealand are not subject to the requirements of the Imported Food Control Act 1992 (the Act).
Note that Australian biosecurity requirements still apply to food from New Zealand.
In order to be exempt from inspection under the provisions of the Act, food imported from New Zealand must comply with the TTMRA principles whereby the food:

  • must be grown, harvested and produced in or imported into New Zealand
  • must comply with New Zealand food laws, and
  • must be labelled at the point of sale with the importers name and business address in Australia or New Zealand.
Food subject to inspection and testing?

Under the Act, some foods imported from New Zealand are subject to inspection and testing. These are:

  • beef
  • beef products
  • cassava chips that are ready-to-eat
  • seaweed- brown only
  • all foods which are trans-shipped through New Zealand ( that is product is not 'cleared' for sale in New Zealand).




As we're on the eve of ANZAC day I'm not going to comment further other than to point out the large food companies you have referred to are all Australian owned as are most of our supermarkets.
 
As we're on the eve of ANZAC day I'm not going to comment further other than to point out the large food companies you have referred to are all Australian owned as are most of our supermarkets.
^&confuse No way m8, McCain Foods is a Canadian company and Watties & Heinz products are part of Kraft Heinz, a large American food company. It's interesting to note that based on their advertising in Australia that most Aussies would think McCains are a NZ company and Heinz are British owned. We don't know who owns what these days. I purchased Four new tyres today and was assured they were made in Europe, when I checked them after fitting I noticed they were made in China, I ripped into the tyre guy about that, but Typical isn't it. As for who owns the supermarkets in NZ, I have no idea.
 
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this new trend sweeping across America...
of racial discrimination and hate incidents against Asian Americans...
is really disturbing...
these reports of anti Asian assaults to other forms of racial harassment is absurd...
referring to COVID-19 as the Asian/Chinese Flu is certainly not helping...
these incidents of xenophobic behavior seem to be on a rapid rise...
this is a sad comment on America...
the link is a disturbing read...


https://www.adl.org/blog/reports-of...t-and-hate-crimes-rise-as-coronavirus-spreads
 
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