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[tdubel]

On a positive note for Toy Soldier Collectors, we may have some regional shows back before you know it! Virginia has given a clear to Gatherings with the severe decline of cases in the Region. Also, on another positive note, it is reported out of Pittsburgh that hospitalizations are way down and of those hospitalized, the severity of the virus is noticeably weaker. SO, i hope this bodes well and this **** virus is dying out!

Looking better every day I guess!


Regarding the rest of this thread on the looting and violence. After what I viewed today as a complete media, social media and outright hijacking of the poor man's funeral (He is the victim remember, so much for honoring him), I am done with that story.

The damage that was done to historical statues and landmarks and buildings across the nation will be a forever stain in my book. That is how I now remember this entire fiasco. Another sad statement.

On to bigger and better things in my life, I am not wasting another second on this BS. I think the policy is called Isolationism - My Family, My World, My Life, My Friends, My Toys. (I think that is a good order What more do you need??? A nice Cuban Cigar and Bourbon will round it out.

TD

 

[marco55]

I see they took a Texas Ranger statue down.I guess because they weren't pc enough for today's mob.I would like to see these sweethearts take on the Comanches.
Mark

 

[Horus]

I see they took a Texas Ranger statue down.I guess because they weren't pc enough for today's mob.I would like to see these sweethearts take on the Comanches.
Mark

Alas as times change some want to wipe away what they consider to be stains on various nations historical heritage to suit their own agendas, regardless of the what and why they were being honoured for in their own era with the same type of idea in which the Romans excised the names on memorials to various Emperors with their ****atio memoriae as the Ancient Egyptians did also.
Perhaps in the future they will demand that Andrew Jackson's statues and image on the $20 are removed along with Benjamin Franklin's etcetera. But then I would not be surprised if that had not already been called for in the past and that I am just not aware of it !

Our various nations with their histories entwined all contain what we now consider to be both positives and negatives things by our own morals of our own times, (with a few exceptions such as the pure evil of genocidal Nazi's) which may well be judged differently by future generations, for all our own failures such as in damage done to the eco systems of this planet we all inhabit.

Steve

 

[hotel3alpha]

Thanks, I'll roll by tomorrow and hopefully there won't be little metal army guys scattered all over the pavement...……………..today it looked like the National Guard and the Taunton PD were getting ready for some heavy duty action.

I love our chief here, he does not **** around.

There better not be, that would be sacrilege. Don't forget your No. 2 Pencils and frozen water bottles if your going un armed.

Oh by the way, have you got your stimulus check yet George?

John from Texas

 

[lancer]

I see they took a Texas Ranger statue down.I guess because they weren't pc enough for today's mob.I would like to see these sweethearts take on the Comanches.
Mark

There have been several sneak removals of statues during this unrest. Along with the removal of the Lee statue in Richmond (with more to follow, as the Davis and Jackson statues are also marked for removal) the City of Alexandria's city council took advantage of the national distraction to remove the statue of the Confederate soldier that had been in the crossroads of the city center for decades. Now you see them, now you don't. History erased. Hard to believe that a Texas Ranger statue would offend anyone but there you have it. I'm waiting for the 'movement to change history' to get to Jefferson and Washington. :rolleyes2: -- Al

 

[tdubel]

There have been several sneak removals of statues during this unrest. Along with the removal of the Lee statue in Richmond (with more to follow, as the Davis and Jackson statues are also marked for removal) the City of Alexandria's city council took advantage of the national distraction to remove the statue of the Confederate soldier that had been in the crossroads of the city center for decades. Now you see them, now you don't. History erased. Hard to believe that a Texas Ranger statue would offend anyone but there you have it. I'm waiting for the 'movement to change history' to get to Jefferson and Washington. :rolleyes2: -- Al

Al,
I can comment on this as I view it separately from the virus and the fiasco.

It is a sad statement and political opportunists are working hard. I told the story last year out of Kentucky regarding Breckinridge, who is actually revered in the State as one of their greatest governors ever with reconciliation, reconstruction, advancement, etc. Well, they are working hard to remove a statue of him showing him as a General. Just idiotic. More will come, I am awaiting the day the PC Crowd decides that the Holocaust Museum in DC is offensive. Probably one of the best museums I have ever seen, it pulls no punches and does not gloss over anything, it will be deemed offensive. Regarding the agenda crowd, we live in a sad State of Affairs.

Pretty soon, George Washington will no longer be the First President of the USA, he will be censured in the House of Representatives along with Jefferson, etc. Think I am kidding, I am willing to bet if you could access notes and archives, you would find "legislation ideas" that include some of this crazy crapola. And I am not a conspiracy theorist, I am a realist, I would not put it past some politicians and the fact that they have more likely than not "whiteboarded" some of this lunacy.

TD

 

[lancer]

Al,
I can comment on this as I view it separately from the virus and the fiasco.

It is a sad statement and political opportunists are working hard. I told the story last year out of Kentucky regarding Breckinridge, who is actually revered in the State as one of their greatest governors ever with reconciliation, reconstruction, advancement, etc. Well, they are working hard to remove a statue of him showing him as a General. Just idiotic. More will come, I am awaiting the day the PC Crowd decides that the Holocaust Museum in DC is offensive. Probably one of the best museums I have ever seen, it pulls no punches and does not gloss over anything, it will be deemed offensive. Regarding the agenda crowd, we live in a sad State of Affairs.

Pretty soon, George Washington will no longer be the First President of the USA, he will be censured in the House of Representatives along with Jefferson, etc. Think I am kidding, I am willing to bet if you could access notes and archives, you would find "legislation ideas" that include some of this crazy crapola. And I am not a conspiracy theorist, I am a realist, I would not put it past some politicians and the fact that they have more likely than not "whiteboarded" some of this lunacy.

TD

Tom, I find it perfectly believable, but disgusting. Don't know if you followed the local 'controversy' regarding the Rockville, Md. Confederate statue that had stood outside the courthouse for decades but it fell victim to the PC crowd a while back. First it was relocated to a less obvious location to a lesser visited side of the courthouse (almost out of sight, out of mind...but not quite enough), then it was defaced by grafitti. To 'protect' the statue from further damage, a huge box was built around it (completely covering and hiding it, of course), then the hunt for a new location within the Rockville area was sought with no luck. Finally, the owners of White's Ferry in Poolesville, offered to let the statue locate to their private property where it now sits, guarding the ferry crossing to Virginia. At least the statue can still be seen and wasn't destroyed in this local attempt to hide history. -- Al

 

[tdubel]

Tom, I find it perfectly believable, but disgusting. Don't know if you followed the local 'controversy' regarding the Rockville, Md. Confederate statue that had stood outside the courthouse for decades but it fell victim to the PC crowd a while back. First it was relocated to a less obvious location to a lesser visited side of the courthouse (almost out of sight, out of mind...but not quite enough), then it was defaced by grafitti. To 'protect' the statue from further damage, a huge box was built around it (completely covering and hiding it, of course), then the hunt for a new location within the Rockville area was sought with no luck. Finally, the owners of White's Ferry in Poolesville, offered to let the statue locate to their private property where it now sits, guarding the ferry crossing to Virginia. At least the statue can still be seen and wasn't destroyed in this local attempt to hide history. -- Al

Yup, I did follow that debacle. On another note in a small victory, not sure if you followed the NPS and Antietam. Private landowner has the land where the Confederate personalities stand. NPS has asked/tried to buy the land, he has covenants that say no sale ever if the statues are removed. Needless to say, still owned by private lands. There is something quirky in how Antietam is owned in that it is not fully protected nationally by the Federal Government who so far has said Statues stay at Federal Parks. There was a movement in Md to remove Confederate Statues from State/Local Lands, needless to say, that is why the landowner and family refuse to put the land in part of the Park. Mess, as I said, museums will be the next target.

PS _ I truly think my ancestors on both sides are turning in their graves so to speak.

TD

 

[lancer]

Yup, I did follow that debacle. On another note in a small victory, not sure if you followed the NPS and Antietam. Private landowner has the land where the Confederate personalities stand. NPS has asked/tried to buy the land, he has covenants that say no sale ever if the statues are removed. Needless to say, still owned by private lands. There is something quirky in how Antietam is owned in that it is not fully protected nationally by the Federal Government who so far has said Statues stay at Federal Parks. There was a movement in Md to remove Confederate Statues from State/Local Lands, needless to say, that is why the landowner and family refuse to put the land in part of the Park. Mess, as I said, museums will be the next target.

PS _ I truly think my ancestors on both sides are turning in their graves so to speak.

TD

Good for the landowner. I wonder how long it will be before the ACW is removed from our history by the PC faction, and replaced by whatever they deem appropriate to avoid offending the sensitivities of those that need to be protected from our historical past. It's coming.{sm2} -- Al

 

[Warrior]

There better not be, that would be sacrilege. Don't forget your No. 2 Pencils and frozen water bottles if your going un armed.

Oh by the way, have you got your stimulus check yet George?

John from Texas

Protest lasted here for 6 hours, 4:00pm til about 10:00pm before it broke up. It was pretty peaceful overall, at one point, the crowd was chanting "Take a knee, take a knee, take a knee" to the Taunton police.

Yeah, no.

In addition to basically the entire Taunton police force there, there were a **** ton of MP's and National Guardsman as we have an armory here in the city.

A huge show of force by our chief.

I went by my building; there were a number of other tenants up on the roof armed with hand guns, rifles, automatic and semi automatic weapons in case the **** hit the fan...…...one of the fellas is ex US Marine, he shouted down to me "We got your back Geo, no worries!!"...………..

Sort of choked me up honestly...………...also, pretty ****ing sad that this is what it's come down to in my country.

Overall, a very sad state of affairs.

OH; AND YES to the stimulation check, which was then donated...……………...I don't need the dough, I'm good.

 

[nysoldiers]

Al,
I can comment on this as I view it separately from the virus and the fiasco.

It is a sad statement and political opportunists are working hard. I told the story last year out of Kentucky regarding Breckinridge, who is actually revered in the State as one of their greatest governors ever with reconciliation, reconstruction, advancement, etc. Well, they are working hard to remove a statue of him showing him as a General. Just idiotic. More will come, I am awaiting the day the PC Crowd decides that the Holocaust Museum in DC is offensive. Probably one of the best museums I have ever seen, it pulls no punches and does not gloss over anything, it will be deemed offensive. Regarding the agenda crowd, we live in a sad State of Affairs.

Pretty soon, George Washington will no longer be the First President of the USA, he will be censured in the House of Representatives along with Jefferson, etc. Think I am kidding, I am willing to bet if you could access notes and archives, you would find "legislation ideas" that include some of this crazy crapola. And I am not a conspiracy theorist, I am a realist, I would not put it past some politicians and the fact that they have more likely than not "whiteboarded" some of this lunacy.

TD

Tom you and I will always disagree on this and comparing the removal of Confederate statues and flags to the possible closing of a Holocaust museum is ridiculous.
The Holocaust museum represents the mass murder of millions of innocent people and that needs to be taught so it never happens again. Who is offended by it? Nazis?
The Confederacy was a rebellion against our country and while it should be taught it should not be honored. The statues belong in museums and battlefield parks not in
public spaces and in front of government buildings. Its not deleting history its just not honoring those who wanted to break up our country to protect slavery.

Yes some of our founding fathers were slave holders and that should be taught and discussed but without those men we wouldn't have a country. The Confederate states
were for destroying our country and committing sedition. Don't give us the disproven revisionist argument about states rights, more accurate would be states rights to own slaves and treat human
beings as property and animals. I saw the remnants of Southern treatment for African Americans first hand. I saw them waving the Confederate battle flag at marchers for civil rights and voting rights.

Why don't we have statues of British generals like Howe, Burgoyne, Clinton and Cornwallis? They are part of our history but we certainly don't honor those men. We teach about them.
All history should be taught, I agree with that and I agree that in many instances PC has gone too far but honoring those who attacked our country and supported slavery thats a different story.

I have heard all the arguments so I have no more to say. We can agree to disagree.

 

[tdubel]

Tom you and I will always disagree on this and comparing the removal of Confederate statues and flags to the possible closing of a Holocaust museum is ridiculous.
The Holocaust museum represents the mass murder of millions of innocent people and that needs to be taught so it never happens again. Who is offended by it? Nazis?
The Confederacy was a rebellion against our country and while it should be taught it should not be honored. The statues belong in museums and battlefield parks not in
public spaces and in front of government buildings. Its not deleting history its just not honoring those who wanted to break up our country to protect slavery.

Yes some of our founding fathers were slave holders and that should be taught and discussed but without those men we wouldn't have a country. The Confederate states
were for destroying our country and committing sedition. Don't give us the disproven revisionist argument about states rights, more accurate would be states rights to own slaves and treat human
beings as property and animals. I saw the remnants of Southern treatment for African Americans first hand. I saw them waving the Confederate battle flag at marchers for civil rights and voting rights.

Why don't we have statues of British generals like Howe, Burgoyne, Clinton and Cornwallis? They are part of our history but we certainly don't honor those men. We teach about them.
All history should be taught, I agree with that and I agree that in many instances PC has gone too far but honoring those who attacked our country and supported slavery thats a different story.

I have heard all the arguments so I have no more to say. We can agree to disagree.

Rich,

Seriously? You need some glasses. Quit looking for a disagreement where there is not one. There is no comparison. The point and I am going to keep this part short is PC is running amok. I was half sarcastic, but it does scare me that there are factions in this Country that deny the Holocaust and I can tell you, I have a son who is 15 in History in PUBLIC SCHOOL and it is NOT TAUGHT, that is a scary start.. My overall point is history is being erased every day, this was just an extreme example of what I truly fear will come. There will be NO museums if it were up to some and a growing group.

And another thing, don't go casting stones about the honoring of US Citizens, the Confederates WERE and the families STILL ARE. I have relatives on both sides of that War and my Family will continue to honor them. They were NOT slaveowners for the 1000th time known to man. And what are you talking about Monuments of Confederate Generals Protecting Slavery? WHAT, they are freaking historical monuments, I and nobody I know have ever gone to Richmond's Monument row for any other purpose than a Civil War History visit. I mean Good Lord. I look at them the same way I do of ones of Sherman, Sheridan, Grant etc.

States Rights - seriously who debunked the argument? Revisionists yes, but my God it is still going on today, in that day, Slavery was the States Rights as WRONG AND I MEAN AS WRONG as that is. It was the catalyst, but not the only disagreement, Money was a huge one - Industrial Advancing North vs Ag South - huge wealth differential and growing.

Frankly, I felt compelled to respond due to your selective reading of my post and its intent. My wife is 100% Jewish, Full Blooded so there is ZERO disagreement in that regard and I find it distasteful that you continue to take this snide track of reading comments as you see fit and to suit your point. Before I responded, I had to forward this malarkey to my wife, unbelievable is the word.

There is NO argument on this board other than you looking for one. Well you now got one. Maybe instead of trolling every post I make and looking for an argument, may I suggest you put your efforts and passion into much of what you post about.

MODS - leave these posts up, the absurdity of them should not be censored.

TD

 

[marco55]

The funny thing about the pc crowd is they are very much in the minority yet we put up with them.I think 85-90% of people think they go too far.As far as these wimpy public officials I think I'll hold my opinion on that one.:wink2:
Mark

 

[Terp152]

John, GREAT family pic. Sounds like a wonderful time.

LEGO announces they are suspending all marketing for building block sets that represent police, firefighters, emergency vehicles, the White House, etc. Will be removed from LEGO sites. :rolleyes2::redface2: Chris

 

[Terp152]

Yup, I did follow that debacle. On another note in a small victory, not sure if you followed the NPS and Antietam. Private landowner has the land where the Confederate personalities stand. NPS has asked/tried to buy the land, he has covenants that say no sale ever if the statues are removed. Needless to say, still owned by private lands. There is something quirky in how Antietam is owned in that it is not fully protected nationally by the Federal Government who so far has said Statues stay at Federal Parks. There was a movement in Md to remove Confederate Statues from State/Local Lands, needless to say, that is why the landowner and family refuse to put the land in part of the Park. Mess, as I said, museums will be the next target.

PS _ I truly think my ancestors on both sides are turning in their graves so to speak.

TD

Statue of a Confederate soldier was moved from Louisville to another town about 45 mi away last yr. Chris

 

[Combat]

I can see no legitimate reason for allowing a confederate statue, flag, or anything associated with the confederacy to be displayed in a public place other than a battlefield, museum, or cemetery. To allow such memorials to be placed in public places like parks and governmental buildings is to suggest that they are being honored. Which is exactly the purpose they were placed there by segregationists decades ago. To honor traitors, racists, and those responsible for so many deaths of Americans has no place in the modern world. I don't see that as PC. It is simply wrong to honor such people. The historical aspects of the confederacy can be conveyed without memorials to honor them. Imagine a black person in the year 2020 who goes to a park in Memphis that honors a notorious KKK leader like Bedford Forrest. I gather he is being evicted soon, though.

 

[nysoldiers]

Rich,

Seriously? You need some glasses. Quit looking for a disagreement where there is not one. There is no comparison. The point and I am going to keep this part short is PC is running amok. I was half sarcastic, but it does scare me that there are factions in this Country that deny the Holocaust and I can tell you, I have a son who is 15 in History in PUBLIC SCHOOL and it is NOT TAUGHT, that is a scary start.. My overall point is history is being erased every day, this was just an extreme example of what I truly fear will come. There will be NO museums if it were up to some and a growing group.

And another thing, don't go casting stones about the honoring of US Citizens, the Confederates WERE and the families STILL ARE. I have relatives on both sides of that War and my Family will continue to honor them. They were NOT slaveowners for the 1000th time known to man. And what are you talking about Monuments of Confederate Generals Protecting Slavery? WHAT, they are freaking historical monuments, I and nobody I know have ever gone to Richmond's Monument row for any other purpose than a Civil War History visit. I mean Good Lord. I look at them the same way I do of ones of Sherman, Sheridan, Grant etc.

States Rights - seriously who debunked the argument? Revisionists yes, but my God it is still going on today, in that day, Slavery was the States Rights as WRONG AND I MEAN AS WRONG as that is. It was the catalyst, but not the only disagreement, Money was a huge one - Industrial Advancing North vs Ag South - huge wealth differential and growing.

Frankly, I felt compelled to respond due to your selective reading of my post and its intent. My wife is 100% Jewish, Full Blooded so there is ZERO disagreement in that regard and I find it distasteful that you continue to take this snide track of reading comments as you see fit and to suit your point. Before I responded, I had to forward this malarkey to my wife, unbelievable is the word.

There is NO argument on this board other than you looking for one. Well you now got one. Maybe instead of trolling every post I make and looking for an argument, may I suggest you put your efforts and passion into much of what you post about.

MODS - leave these posts up, the absurdity of them should not be censored.

TD

Tom
I already wear glasses, unfortunately. I really think you are misinterpreting my opinions and being very defensive. Sure there are people who protest everything and certainly in many cases PC goes too far but not on the issue of Confederate monuments. I am all for teaching history and not deleting acts that we now find repulsive or just mistaken, that how we learn. I know you are not an evil or prejudiced person, i like you and enjoy debating with you. We need a liberal view and a conservative vies and a middle view but I can't let certain unsubstantiated or exaggerated views go by. Not you specifically, you tend to be reasonable but also tend like others, even myself from time to time, to over generalize. You are right most Southerners were not slave holders but most Southerners supported the institution of slavery and the opinion that Blacks were inferior. The absolute truth is how Blacks were treated
after the civil war for a hundred years plus. Discrimination, segregation, lynchings and denial of basic rights like voting.
After the Union army left the South, the real South showed its true colors (no pun intended). So perhaps your relatives were not prejudiced or complicit but the majority were.
That's why my message is simply about taking racist and seditious symbols out of the public domain so we don't honor those who participated in them. And have empathy for those who still have to deal with results of that history.
You can have shrines to Lee and Jackson in your home, we should all learn about them and acknowledge they were good military men, they can be profiled and exhibited in museum and battlefield parks..
Benedict Arnold was one of our best generals in the American Revolution but I don't see any statues to him.
So I truly don't understand your reaction. I never thought you have a negative thought about the Holocaust. I just don't see the PC issue being as bad as you think and a good percentage of what you all call PC are legitimate reactions to "real" history.
Look at how this country portrayed Native Americans for year and now we finally acknowledge our terrible treatment of them and are making changes to our symbols which they find offensive.

Enough said.

 

[nysoldiers]

Tom
I already wear glasses, unfortunately. I really think you are misinterpreting my opinions and being very defensive. Sure there are people who protest everything and certainly in many cases PC goes too far but not on the issue of Confederate monuments. I am all for teaching history and not deleting acts that we now find repulsive or just mistaken, that how we learn. I know you are not an evil or prejudiced person, i like you and enjoy debating with you. We need a liberal view and a conservative vies and a middle view but I can't let certain unsubstantiated or exaggerated views go by. Not you specifically, you tend to be reasonable but also tend like others, even myself from time to time, to over generalize. You are right most Southerners were not slave holders but most Southerners supported the institution of slavery and the opinion that Blacks were inferior. The absolute truth is how Blacks were treated
after the civil war for a hundred years plus. Discrimination, segregation, lynchings and denial of basic rights like voting.
After the Union army left the South, the real South showed its true colors (no pun intended). So perhaps your relatives were not prejudiced or complicit but the majority were.
That's why my message is simply about taking racist and seditious symbols out of the public domain so we don't honor those who participated in them. And have empathy for those who still have to deal with results of that history.
You can have shrines to Lee and Jackson in your home, we should all learn about them and acknowledge they were good military men, they can be profiled and exhibited in museum and battlefield parks..
Benedict Arnold was one of our best generals in the American Revolution but I don't see any statues to him.
So I truly don't understand your reaction. I never thought you have a negative thought about the Holocaust. I just don't see the PC issue being as bad as you think and a good percentage of what you all call PC are legitimate reactions to "real" history.
Look at how this country portrayed Native Americans for year and now we finally acknowledge our terrible treatment of them and are making changes to our symbols which they find offensive.

Enough said.

And by the way as I write this I am in between judging a NYC "Quality of Life" research contest for High School students which we raised $50,000 in scholarships for kids who couldn't afford college. My whole adult life I have been fighting racism and supporting education. this forum is merely a place to exchange ideas and appreciate our hobby.

 

[Louis Badolato]

I find myself, again, somewhere philosophically between Rich and Tom on the issue of statues of confederate generals. To me, the question of whether to honor these men depends upon whether they survived the conflict (I have absolutely no problem with a statue of a man like Thomas J. Jackson, who acted with great honor and courage and died serving his State, as back then people considered themselves Virginians or New Yorkers, more than they considered themselves Americans), and what they did after the war ended. One of the greatest men the conflict immortalized was Robert E. Lee. After the war was over, a traveling African-American family entered the church where Lee and his family regularly worshipped. The remainder of these "Christians" - I use the term ironically in the case of these congregants - sought to expel this African-American family from what they had the hubris to refer to as "God's house." Robert E. Lee stopped them, and invited the African American family to come and sit in the pew reserved for Lee's family. Anybody who does not recognize the transcendent greatness of a Confederate general who acted with such grace and honor after the war, and who doesn't see that honoring him is honoring someone who embraced the ideals of America and the Civil Rights movement 100 years before the movement took flight, is missing the point. That story, more than any of his exploits as a general, is why, he is one spot above Theodore Roosevelt in my list of personal heroes.

On the other hand, with regard to those former confederate generals who actively participated in oppressing African-Americans in the Jim Crow south, I have no problem whatsoever with taking down their statues. Teaching the history of their exploits is one thing, but honoring their bigotry and racism with publically funded statues, for me, would be on the same level with Germans putting up statues of Hitler, Himmler and Goering.

 

[Desertkiwi]

Clearly the Covid Crisis is being used as a distraction and allowing Governments and other officials to carry out a raft of changes (including the re-writing of history) all over the globe.

This certainly isn't only happening in the USA, as an example you only have to look at what new laws the Chinese are rolling out in Hong Kong right now.

Reading some of these posts reminds my of the George Orwell novel "1984" and lets not forget the Nazi's burning of the "books".

And isn't it wonderful how the worlds media have moved their focus to BLM protests and side-lined Covid. You only have to read this thread to see how your focus has been redirected.

Its all smoke and mirrors folks. Lets not let the truth get in the way of a good story...…….