COVID the 3rd (2 Viewers)

[Desertkiwi]

Pfizer and BioN Tech are filing for emergency authorization with the FDA today. It’s not clear how long the review and authorization process will take although the federal government hopes to be able to vaccinate 20 million people in December and 25-30 million people a month beginning in January. When the Moderna vaccine is ready those numbers should increase.

I'm sure they are pushing hard for emergency authorization there's huge profits to be had and nice kick backs for all those streamlining the process.

It takes on average 2 to 3 yrs to develop a vaccine and that's if everything goes to plan and all the hoops are jumped through to the satisfaction of the governing bodies involved. Even then its a slow roll out.

I for one have absolutely no intention of getting the jab or regular booster shots to try and fool this nasty.

I trust my immune system way more than a man made cocktail of god knows what.

Good luck to you all and this will be my final post in this thread.

Cheers Toddy:salute::

 

[tdubel]

The government in NYS has been very proactive. The rate actually dipped below 3% again yesterday, but because the 7 day average hit 3%, NYC schools shut down, and they are setting stricter limits on the number of people allowed to dine inside of restaurants. As a result, our positivity rate is comparatively fairly low, despite the fact that New York has both a highly dense population and a ton of international travelers. If you look at the states with the highest positivity rate, they are all far less densely populated states where the government has declined to enforce mask wearing and partial shut downs.

I guess it is all relative as ny was very bad for a good long while i have been lucky in where i live this far knock on wood Hope that continues

 

[jazzeum]

Well if we hadn't already decided not to have a family gathering on Thanksgiving Day, we would have now. Just found out our public school administrator son-in-law is sick and has tested positive for covid. He has quarantined himself to a spare bedroom that has an on suite bathroom. Our daughter and grandson are in the process of being tested. So it goes . . .

I’m sorry to hear that Mike and hope he gets well soon. However, it’s fortunate — if that’s the right word — that you and your wife found out now.

Best of luck to your daughter, son-in-law and their and your family.

Brad

 

[TomNT]

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[FONT=&quot]Further to my previous post, below are some very good links on information relating to the Covid19 matter. I'm not going to stand on a soap box voicing my opinion or debating the issue, I'll let facts and science do the talking via the links. Again, I urge everyone to do their own research and not rely on information from Governments and mainstream media. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Ingredients in the AstraZeneca Covid19 vaccine[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Great video talking about the great reset, vaccines, Covid19 narrative etc and a medical specialist by the name of Dr Roger Hodkinson MD talking to Edmonton City Council in Canada about the incorrect approach to Covid19. This video is around 2 hours long but well worth watching. The doctor is definitely worth listening to and is at the last 14 odd minutes of the video. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]​Here's the direct link to Dr Roger Hodkinson talking to Edmonton City Council in Canada
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I provided this link on my last post but I urge people to check it out as these are scientists providing facts and information on how to approach Covid19.


Tom
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[jazzeum]

Roger Hodkinson is a Covid skeptic and believes it’s nothing worse than the flu. Yeah, right. Tell that to the people who have died. You can do a search but he’s not viewed positively.

The so called Danish study was carried out by a cardiologist. The methodology of the study was flawed and has been disputed. The study also goes against evidence to the contrary. Again, searches reveal it’s a flawed study. Next.

 

[jrsteel]

Hi all


Further to my previous post, below are some very good links on information relating to the Covid19 matter. I'm not going to stand on a soap box voicing my opinion or debating the issue, I'll let facts and science do the talking via the links. Again, I urge everyone to do their own research and not rely on information from Governments and mainstream media.


https://www.globalresearch.ca/portu...unreliable-unlawful-quarantine-people/5730027


Facts about the PCR tests on Covid19


https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817


New Danish study on facemasks


https://www.instagram.com/tv/CHoCee5jq8F/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link


Ingredients in the AstraZeneca Covid19 vaccine


https://thehighwire.com/videos/the-great-covid-reset/



Great video talking about the great reset, vaccines, Covid19 narrative etc and a medical specialist by the name of Dr Roger Hodkinson MD talking to Edmonton City Council in Canada about the incorrect approach to Covid19. This video is around 2 hours long but well worth watching. The doctor is definitely worth listening to and is at the last 14 odd minutes of the video.


https://lifesitenews.us1.list-manag...2c561a81f1ee4736a3&id=ee3d739c6f&e=4e71501e5d



​Here's the direct link to Dr Roger Hodkinson talking to Edmonton City Council in Canada


https://gbdeclaration.org/



I provided this link on my last post but I urge people to check it out as these are scientists providing facts and information on how to approach Covid19.


Tom

So the first link I clicked on was about the ingredients in the Astra Zeneca vaccine. The link says lung tissue from an aborted fetus was used. I looked this up and learned this is totally false. I assume the rest of your links are nonsense too.

 

[Louis Badolato]

So the first link I clicked on was about the ingredients in the Astra Zeneca vaccine. The link says lung tissue from an aborted fetus was used. I looked this up and learned this is totally false. I assume the rest of your links are nonsense too.

Thank you and Brad for doing the follow up on these links. This is exactly what concerns me: there is a lot of intentional or negligent misinformation about the virus, both in the mainstream media and (especially) on the internet. There does not seem to be a source providing all of the peer-reviewed science. As someone who handles a lot of appeals relating to medical evidence (most often medical malpractice and products liability), I have learned that if an opinion is not based a properly vetted peer-reviewed study, generally it is unreliable. In the legal community, for a medical or other scientific expert opinion to be considered, it has to meet the standard set forth in a United States Supreme Court decision in the Frye case: it has to be shown, by medical literature (generally either medical textbooks or peer reviewed journal articles), to be "generally accepted in the medical [or other scientific] community." I wish the news sources and internet platforms would use a similar standard before passing along medical and other scientific opinions as being factual.

 

[Louis Badolato]

I guess it is all relative as ny was very bad for a good long while i have been lucky in where i live this far knock on wood Hope that continues

Yes, in the beginning, before social distancing and mask protocols were in place, New York was especially hard hit, because of the combination of population density and international travelers. For the first 4-5 months New York was the single hardest hit state. However, now, after a temporary shut down, and slow and careful re-opening of the State and City economies, New York is not even in the top 10 of overall cases per state (which I believe is led by Texas followed by California and Florida), and is near the very bottom in percentage of positive tests at under 3% (I believe South Dakota, where, despite having a very low population density and virtually no international tourism, because of the governor's continued refusal to impose mask and social distancing requirements, there is a 56% positive test rate).

 

[Combat]

Roger Hodkinson is a Covid skeptic and believes it’s nothing worse than the flu. Yeah, right. Tell that to the people who have died. You can do a search but he’s not viewed positively.

The so called Danish study was carried out by a cardiologist. The methodology of the study was flawed and has been disputed. The study also goes against evidence to the contrary. Again, searches reveal it’s a flawed study. Next.

If it were just the case that the anti-vaxers were harming themselves, then you could chalk it up to Darwinism. But those that refuse to take the vaccine (including the flu vaccine that kills thousands each year) are putting everyone at risk. It is reckless. Over 2,000 people are dying every day now. That's the equivalent to the death toll on 9/11 each day. If anyone doesn't take the vaccine when it becomes available, they should not be allowed to go to work or school and be subject to liability if an infection is traced back to them.

 

[tdubel]

Yes, in the beginning, before social distancing and mask protocols were in place, New York was especially hard hit, because of the combination of population density and international travelers. For the first 4-5 months New York was the single hardest hit state. However, now, after a temporary shut down, and slow and careful re-opening of the State and City economies, New York is not even in the top 10 of overall cases per state (which I believe is led by Texas followed by California and Florida), and is near the very bottom in percentage of positive tests at under 3% (I believe South Dakota, where, despite having a very low population density and virtually no international tourism, because of the governor's continued refusal to impose mask and social distancing requirements, there is a 56% positive test rate).

Louis,
I know it makes sense, we have had mask protocol and distance in place since the beginning. My zip code is less populous, less positives, even in this resurge, we have them but again, it is in the more populous zip codes. We are a 100% protocol state with restrictions yet we are experiencing a surge in Baltimore City and DC Subs where the populous is. Interesting, in less populous, not much of a surge. That is why I was thinking about NYC even with all protocols in place, people are still on top of each other.

South Dakota - I believe that is stupidity and independence at its worst. Common sense is not there. Texas, FL and CA are definitely surging in their populous areas moreso than rural. It is a dynamic that is hard to beat numbers wise.

Regarding standards, I could not agree more, as the saying goes, believe half of what you hear and even less of what you read when it is unsourced opinions. Our wonderful press lately has not gotten the memo about FACTUAL BASED reporting, it is not just this subject, it is "tabloid sensationalism sales methodology" that they rely on for the almight advert dollar and ratings. It is a disservice.

TD

 

[tdubel]

Comment on vaccine versus shot. The FLU shot is not a vaccine. It is also not 100% effective in any stretch of the imagination. I am not a Dr. at all, however, since this particular subject is near and dear to me, I think it is reckless to suggest that the millions of people who do not get a FLU shot are endangering others. That is just categorically a falsehood bullcrap and can be easily researched and proven. The FLU shot is effective in part of the population who takes it annually. IT IS NOT A VACCINE and should not be compared to one.

The COVID vaccine is a completely different animal and I for one will be getting that one at the appropriate and available time. A pandemic strain of disease is much different than the "generic termed" FLU cold/virus/infection that arrives annually around the world.

I think the continued comparison between the FLU and COVID is a waste of time, they are not the same, not even close to the same. Yes, the FLU can kill you, and if you research it, it happens for a variety of reasons that include people ignoring their health and not taking care of a common cold until it is too late and pneumonia and other issues set it. That is not what COVID is doing. COVID's effects are wild in variance, but the underlying cause is known, ie the virus. From what I have read and "understood" on the vaccine, they are 90-95% effective in innoculating and wiping out the virus. That means in my uneducated opinion that as I understand it, they have identified and neutralized this animal and its sidekicks in 90-95% of the cases. I will take those odds at this point. IN contrast, the "FLU SHOT" is nowhere near as universally effective b/c there are only strains upon strains of the flu.

My hope is that the vaccine for COVID works much like other vaccines in that it eliminates the underlying virus and makes us immune. Hopefully there will be no other modified strains that the vaccine is ineffective against.

Anyway, my original point is that the flu shot is just that, a shot NOT a vaccine.

TD

 

[OzDigger]

The FLU shot IS a VACCINE.

People that refuse Vaccinations promote the continued existence of Dangerous Diseases in the community.

 

[tdubel]

The FLU shot IS a VACCINE.

People that refuse Vaccinations promote the continued existence of Dangerous Diseases in the community.

Matt
Respectfully I would suggest you consult your own md but it is not a vaccine, it is a shot that attempts to protect you from whatever strain it was made from annually according to my doctor and my cousin who is a neurosurgeon, I will take their word for it. The covid vaccine that is being developed is an actual immunization much like the polio vaccine. Not getting a flu shot annuually is not endagering millions of people, that is an outright falsehood. You are welcome to your own thoughts and comfort but common sense will tell you if the flu was considered a clear and present danger, then the medical communitu as well as governments worldwide would be imposing annual mandates and restrictions, they are not for the flu.
Tom

 

[OzDigger]

Matt
Respectfully I would suggest you consult your own md but it is not a vaccine, it is a shot that attempts to protect you from whatever strain it was made from annually according to my doctor and my cousin who is a neurosurgeon, I will take their word for it. The covid vaccine that is being developed is an actual immunization much like the polio vaccine. Not getting a flu shot annuually is not endagering millions of people, that is an outright falsehood. You are welcome to your own thoughts and comfort but common sense will tell you if the flu was considered a clear and present danger, then the medical communitu as well as governments worldwide would be imposing annual mandates and restrictions, they are not for the flu.
Tom

Tom,

I suggest you did not fully understand what your Doctor and Neurosurgeon cousin were talking about. The Flu Shot is Definitely a Vaccine, no Ifs no Buts. You can get Flu shots for a number of different strains of Influenza type Viruses, some provide protection for multiple strains. For example a Free vaccine for people over 65 in Australia covers Four different Flu causing Viruses. No they are Not 100% effective, but certainly better than nothing.

Clearly you have different Vaccination/Immunization laws in the US compared to Australia and other countries. I guess that's a similar situation with your Gun laws and even basics like systems of Measure. Australia together with 99% of the other countries in the world stopped using the Imperial measuring system many years ago.

In Australia people are encouraged, but not compelled to be Vaccinated. However they won't let you visit people in a Nursing Home unless you have had a Flu Shot. And most Schools won't admit students that can't provide proof of Vaccinations against significant Diseases such as Polio, Measles etc. It is a Scientific certainty that Vaccinations Reduce the impact of disease.

 

[tdubel]

Tom,

I suggest you did not fully understand what your Doctor and Neurosurgeon cousin were talking about. The Flu Shot is Definitely a Vaccine, no Ifs no Buts. You can get Flu shots for a number of different strains of Influenza type Viruses, some provide protection for multiple strains. For example a Free vaccine for people over 65 in Australia covers Four different Flu causing Viruses. No they are Not 100% effective, but certainly better than nothing.

Clearly you have different Vaccination/Immunization laws in the US compared to Australia and other countries. I guess that's a similar situation with your Gun laws and even basics like systems of Measure. Australia together with 99% of the other countries in the world stopped using the Imperial measuring system many years ago.

In Australia people are encouraged, but not compelled to be Vaccinated. However they won't let you visit people in a Nursing Home unless you have had a Flu Shot. And most Schools won't admit students that can't provide proof of Vaccinations against significant Diseases such as Polio, Measles etc. It is a Scientific certainty that Vaccinations Reduce the impact of disease.

No further comment as I am quite educated and fully understood what i was told no ifs ands or buts , also have no idea what our other laws of the US have to do with anything concerning this point? But i am quite happy with our laws and freedoms.

 

[OzDigger]

No further comment as I am quite educated and fully understood what i was told no ifs ands or buts , also have no idea what our other laws of the US have to do with anything concerning this point? But i am quite happy with our laws and freedoms.

That doesn't surprise me.

 

[tdubel]

That doesn't surprise me.

No idea what your issue is but your condescending and rude attitude is not necessary, pls go pick a fight with someone else. Last thing I am going to apologize for is being an educated and prosperous American.

 

[OzDigger]

No idea what your issue is but your condescending and rude attitude is not necessary, pls go pick a fight with someone else. Last thing I am going to apologize for is being an educated and prosperous American.

Nothing personal Tom, however I do have issues with Anyone that continues to post misleading and potentially dangerous assertions.

Please read the following provided by the Mayo Clinic concerning Flu Shots. Hint, it says they are Vaccines.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/flu/in-depth/flu-shots/art-20048000

 

[tdubel]

Nothing personal Tom, however I do have issues with Anyone that continues to post misleading and potentially dangerous assertions.

Please read the following provided by the Mayo Clinic concerning Flu Shots. Hint, it says they are Vaccines.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/flu/in-depth/flu-shots/art-20048000

I dont believe I am the one who made it personal and again I will continue to rely on my pesonal physician of 15 years as it has worked thus far and I will also continue to enjoy the myriad of US laws your previous post has an obvious issue with. Good day and i ask again please direct your condescension elsewhere

 

[OzDigger]

I dont believe I am the one who made it personal and again I will continue to rely on my pesonal physician of 15 years as it has worked thus far and I will also continue to enjoy the myriad of US laws your previous post has an obvious issue with. Good day and i ask again please direct your condescension elsewhere

Fine, feel free to continue your life decisions that suit your point of view. However please be mindful how your actions may affect the more vulnerable people on this forum and society in general.