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[tdubel]

50 plus elephants! I thought your earlier post about 'never having too many elephants' was an exaggeration to make a point. I must withdraw that accusation. 50 ... wow. That's a lot of elephants.

Ya, for some reason they have always caught my eye. Even for all of my love of military history, the Durbar has always fascinated me and that is what really got me into it. I actually may have more than 50 as I sit down to really count. I have all of the Britains, Marlborough and working on Beau Geste and Hocker durbars not including Little Lead Soldiers, ATQM and various other makers. Then I forgot I have the Luzinski (Forgot how to spell out his name, Louis can supply proper spelling), but they are incredible too - I have about a 12 Elephant gun team! Then not counting RSM, Aeroart, Fusilier, Atkins, Tradition, Alymer, Black Hawk, CS and of course - Trophy. Not bragging in the least, actually this thread has me thinking, maybe you can have too many.........not.

In all seriousness, they just have always caught my eye and I think they are super neat. I try to acquire whenever I find a new one. The old Aeroarts though have been hard to come by - the price is always a factor as they just don't come up often and when they do, there are other idiots out there like me in pursuit of them and sadly, I don't have deep enough pockets!!

TD

 

[zblang]

From one elephant collecting idiot to another...
If ever you get a chance, I'd love to see photos of your elephant collection.
There is just something magical about these pieces!

 

[tdubel]

From one elephant collecting idiot to another...
If ever you get a chance, I'd love to see photos of your elephant collection.
There is just something magical about these pieces!

Hopefully soon! They are all currently residing at the local hotel in boxes Just trying to move out enough of the basement to reset!
IE - in storage, but hopefully coming out of hibernation soon!
Tom

 

[katana]

I don't expect perfection, I expect accuracy in the portrayal of a subject. I think TG can make an excellent War Elephant at a reasonable price; but to do so requires modifications to the prototype shown on this thread in the interest of accuracy. I think $200.00 is a threshold beyond which few collectors venture; thus the market is limited; whether its a War elephant or a Tiger tank. The higher the price the more selective collectors become IMO.

It would appear you are hard to please as in an earlier post you said you did not think there is much demand for elephants over $200. Yet you expect perfection. A manufacturer consulting you would never get anything made.

 

[thebritfarmer]

I don't expect perfection, I expect accuracy in the portrayal of a subject. I think TG can make an excellent War Elephant at a reasonable price; but to do so requires modifications to the prototype shown on this thread in the interest of accuracy. I think $200.00 is a threshold beyond which few collectors venture; thus the market is limited; whether its a War elephant or a Tiger tank. The higher the price the more selective collectors become IMO.

Sorry but I find this statement almost laughable, you posted a picture of what you think is a great war elephant and are comparing it to the TG version. There are no words...........sorry.


There are many many pieces released each year over the $200 mark. I my self have the 3 Britains Zulu houses, the ambulance set and the saving the guns set. I think the original house was $250.00 many years ago and the saving the guns set was $700.00, the other falling somewhere in between. Some mounted figures are falling in between the $100 -$170.00 range. People will be come selective but it will not alter the price. The TG elephant looks like it will be popular and you are the only one that seems to have issue with it.

 

[katana]

I posted a picture of an anatomically correct and size compatible Asian Elephant with a 65mm Roman figure for comparison. I was not comparing it to the TG prototype in terms of quality; but as an example of a normal Asian Elephant.

Your comment is a misinterpretation of a clearly stated rationale! You stated in an earlier comment that the cranial protrusions were abnormal; so I am not the only commenter criticising the TG prototype War Elephant. I will purchase the TG piece if the production version is accurate. I don't own the TCS version because the trunk is too short and the proportions are strange. I apply the same esthetic to any model I purchase, it must be accurate and realistic.

 

[thebritfarmer]

My issue is that you think the elephant you posted is accurate and the TG one is not. I just don't see what you are seeing !

I would say it was an Indian elephant as denoted by the shape of the ears. African elephants don't possess that large cranial bulge either.

This one looks quite large


http://c8.alamy.com/comp/B3DB4R/ele...t-asiatic-elephant-indian-elephant-B3DB4R.jpg

This was my conversation, I have no issue with the TG elephant, I think it looks lovely!

Here are some nice elephants of the Asian variety in 1:32 scale.

 

[katana]

What material is the War Elephant made of; Pewter, Resin or Polystone?

“Some new pictures of our Elephant and crew figures coming soon, there will be 2 versions with a fighting variant and also a parade variant “

 

[spartan71]

Katana, I really want TG to make this piece, again as I stated in the reply for the PM you sent me. We as collectors have to be reasonable, In our expectation of the Price for this piece,and at $200.00, your putting the price below the $219.00 Blackhawk piece, which again is at 1/32nd, not much difference, yes, but still a difference. And as I stated in that response to your pm, I believe that TG has been moire than fair in their pricing for their pieces. And I believe that will not change on this one. So let's trust them to do that.

 

[Jack]

Ya, for some reason they have always caught my eye. Even for all of my love of military history, the Durbar has always fascinated me and that is what really got me into it. I actually may have more than 50 as I sit down to really count. I have all of the Britains, Marlborough and working on Beau Geste and Hocker durbars not including Little Lead Soldiers, ATQM and various other makers. Then I forgot I have the Luzinski (Forgot how to spell out his name, Louis can supply proper spelling), but they are incredible too - I have about a 12 Elephant gun team! Then not counting RSM, Aeroart, Fusilier, Atkins, Tradition, Alymer, Black Hawk, CS and of course - Trophy. Not bragging in the least, actually this thread has me thinking, maybe you can have too many.........not.

In all seriousness, they just have always caught my eye and I think they are super neat. I try to acquire whenever I find a new one. The old Aeroarts though have been hard to come by - the price is always a factor as they just don't come up often and when they do, there are other idiots out there like me in pursuit of them and sadly, I don't have deep enough pockets!!

TD

Tom

If I ever won the lotto I would buy the entire Durbar series and put it on a shelf that ran around the walls of the biggest room in the house. I would pay for an artist to paint a rocking backdrop. It is just a beautiful series ... I would then pass my time making negative posts about each Tiger release regardless of the quality because that's how I roll!

Thank's for the information about the elephants. I only have the TCS one so you are at least 49 elephants in front of me. Too many releases, too little time.

Jack

 

[johnnybach]

Looks like lots of collectors out there are interested in Elees - but price, for some, MAY be a major deterrent in purchasing any of them.

I own just two of the 54mm variety ( at the moment) - but might be interested in an unpainted kit ( as TG hinted earlier in this thread)

However, I would just like to float the idea of some less expensive alternatives - to those, who like me, don't wish to pay the big bucks.

Have you ever thought of Flats?? They are, after all, part of our Toy Soldier history and heritage - and ARE also still available - many of them either painted or as unpainted kits - for relatively small amounts of money.

Here's a couple of pics of some of mine - and believe me when I tell you - it's just as pleasant to own some - as the bigger boys - and maybe your Bank Manager might also agree. jb

 

[Jack]

Looks like lots of collectors out there are interested in Elees - but price, for some, MAY be a major deterrent in purchasing any of them.

I own just two of the 54mm variety ( at the moment) - but might be interested in an unpainted kit ( as TG hinted earlier in this thread)

However, I would just like to float the idea of some less expensive alternatives - to those, who like me, don't wish to pay the big bucks.

Have you ever thought of Flats?? They are, after all, part of our Toy Soldier history and heritage - and ARE also still available - many of them either painted or as unpainted kits - for relatively small amounts of money.

Here's a couple of pics of some of mine - and believe me when I tell you - it's just as pleasant to own some - as the bigger boys - and maybe your Bank Manager might also agree. jb

There is an alternate universe somewhere where there is a Johnnybach discouraging collectors from ever thinking outside of the box and instead suggesting that it is far better to stick with what everyone else is doing.

Really interesting photographs.

 

[Go for Broke]

We have the African and Asian elephant, but we forgot about the German elephant. Now that's a war elephant.

 

[katana]

For those on a budget Schleich makes a 1/18 scale Indian War Elephant that is 8 inches high and 12 inches long. The model is of an Asian Elephant and it is available on Amazon. A Howdah with an Archer and Spearman is also available. The elephant would be size compatible with the BBI and Papo Romans. For those that want just an anatomically correct Elephant Schleich makes those too. Plus you could always build your own Howdah; which is what I did for my Meiji bronze Elephant. A Howdah for War, Durbar or hunting is easy to construct.

A Tiger hunt with an Elephant and Tiger from St. Petersburg is on eBay now. A very interesting piece IMO.

 

[Isandlwana]

I think enough is enough with the encouragement to look elsewhere and quoting of rival prices. This is a TG thread for people who enjoy collecting TG and will continue to collect TG for the simple reason that they like TG figures. If we like it, we buy it, if we don't then we won't.

 

[katana]

I collect TG figures and I have highly praised their Hetzer and PAK 40; both of which I own. The discussion of War Elephants has evolved from the TG post about their prototype into a more general discussion and I have found it very interesting and informative. I am not offended by the digressions speaking as a TG collector. TG has not priced or produced their War Elephant as yet, so I fail to see how discussions of War Elephants that are available and what they cost detracts from the TG proposed product in anyway. A Forum is a place to discuss matters of mutual interest; not a place to restrict discussion unless it is clearly offensive. I have seen many comments praising the TG prototype War Elephant and others offering suggestions for improvement using other War Elephants as examples. I find none of these comments offensive. I find them interesting and educational. I am not aware of any rules restricting comments on any thread on the Forum to the respective manufacturers product exclusively. Such a restriction would exclude comparitive product reviews and many other interesting and informative comments IMO.

 

[thebritfarmer]

Not really much of a discussion as such, more like you think it needs tweaking, the rest of us don't. It could be classed as borderline trolling.

 

[katana]

I finally realized where I have seen that deformed Elephant cranium before; the Mammoths cranium is very similar!

I am sorry that pointing out problems with new products is considered trolling by some. I feel sure TG receives some benefit from the discussion. I recall similar discussions about the size of the MG 42 on the Hetzer on this thread. I do not recall anyone being accused of trolling in that debate.
Discussions of new products pro and con are a valuable contribution to improving products IMO.

 

[wayne556517]

 

[villagehorse]

Have two on order, really nice. Looking forward to seeing the other version being a parade Elephant.
Robin.