Why I'm not buying anymore 1/30 armour (3 Viewers)

[uksubs]

I am obviously no expert in this area and have no knowledge involved in the manufacture of tanks but I believe a company like Figarti would say you can do more with metal than poly.

Again, a pure guess on my part as I don't know the dynamics of these materials.

So is figarti armour metal then ?

 

[Mitch]

I thought Figarti as with most manufacturers were a mix of both materials polystone/metal resin et al. Back on the topic uksubs brought up I am sure if the wheel base were sorted on K&C without another increase in price because of it then most people who moan and groan about quality (often with justification) to me may, be more happy.

Most people are very concerned about these issues especially, with price being as it is to many colelctors. It is something, IMO they have attempted to rectfy with seperate track moulds but, the stuff that is left is unecessary in todays market.

But, I suppose thats the good thing in the market as there is so much choice you put your money where you want it to go on the products ones individual taste believes to be the best value for money. No bad thing in that
Mitch

 

[gk5717]

Yes...your not mistaken George, I like Andy, still do...never ripped him and wouldn't....Its the....one step foward...two steps backward company attitude that turned me.

I too am waiting for one step forward, two steps back, explanation.
Not trying to stir the pot but what exactly does that mean?
And by the way K&C IS what caused me to collect metal figures as I was a plastic guy for 15 years.
Gary

 

[sammy719]

I'm certain you can get more detail and finer detail with good strength with materials other than polystone, but they would be more expensive to make (for the material itself, for the manufacturing and painting the finer details). That is why Figarti and FL AFVs are more expensive than K&C.

Terry

100% correct Terry, the different materials that First Legion use in thier vehicles gives them the edge on detail and painting, as well as some Figarti items like the winter 88 gun form last year, but with that being said, it's all in what your willing to pay for, Matt can not force me to buy a 300.00 vehicle, that's on me, but I'm willing to pay that amount for the detail/paint/scale/ that I know I will be happy with...Sammy

 

[jazzeum]

Yes...your not mistaken George, I like Andy, still do...never ripped him and wouldn't....Its the....one step foward...two steps backward company attitude that turned me.

I'm not sure I understand the distinction: Andy is K & C and K & C is Andy so if you rip the company you are, in effect, ripping him.

It's not really an apt distinction.

I think it's your right to criticize, just as UK Subs or anyone else who is unhappy with any manufacturer, be it Thomas Gunn, First Legion, Figarti, K & C, what have you, but I don't believe the distinction is valid.

 

[OzDigger]

Brad, I will have to disagree with you there. I think it is fair to make reasoned critical comments about K & C product(s). I think Andy is past taking such matters too personally, you can't please everyone.

 

[jazzeum]

I don't disagree with you Matt and that's what I said. My principal point was that you can't criticize the company and say you have nothing against the man because the two are indistinguishable.

 

[trooper]

I don't disagree with you Matt and that's what I said. My principal point was that you can't criticize the company and say you have nothing against the man because the two are indistinguishable.

Following this thread my understanding is that the criticism is aimed at the product, not the company or the man. Andy himself doesn't make the master patterns, I have been told he has ten master figure makers for that purpose.

 

[OzDigger]

I don't disagree with you Matt and that's what I said. My principal point was that you can't criticize the company and say you have nothing against the man because the two are indistinguishable.

I understand but I assumed Ixec was refering to K & C's inclination towards painting a model in a more artistic style rather than a true but dull representation of the protoype. Of course we would be best to ask Mr Ixec for clarification, bearing in mind he may respond with more random song lyrics

 

[Martin Tabony]

I understand but I assumed Ixec was refering to K & C's inclination towards painting a model in a more artistic style rather than a true but dull representation of the protoype. Of course we would be best to ask Mr Ixec for clarification, bearing in mind he may respond with more random song lyrics

One step foreward ...two steps back, thats not a song it's a dance surely

Martin

 

[Mitch]

Jazzeum...

I think though I neccessarily do not agree with IXEC I think I knew what he meant but, I find it strange that you cannot critique a product on here without causing offence to some as its seen as an attack on the person running the company. I think its been mentioned but, IMO Andy makes his mind up what he wants released can do the initial drawings and produce the pics to support that design. But, the real work is the master carvers/sculpters who create these items and, the many employed to paint them for theri dispatch around the world.

I think to say they are indistinguishable is incorrect and, if you cannot critique the product for fear of hurting the owner then we may as well all just give up. This site I thought was all about opinion and critique when necessary as well as praise for the products in the hobby. some deserve critique and some not as much but, everyone is or should be allowed to say their opinion freely. If K&C or any manufacturer releases an item I am do not like or, has some flaw then its what we are here for to discuss otherwise we are all just singing from the same hymn sheet so, to speak, and it would be very uninteresting as a hobby.

I for one, am more interested in why someone does not like certain products than following the herd saying how wonderful things are every month. I would like IXEC to comment to allow more debate about his point and, hope he does so we can maturally debate if he has a point or not.

Just my opinion for what its worth
Mitch

I'm not sure I understand the distinction: Andy is K & C and K & C is Andy so if you rip the company you are, in effect, ripping him.

It's not really an apt distinction.

I think it's your right to criticize, just as UK Subs or anyone else who is unhappy with any manufacturer, be it Thomas Gunn, First Legion, Figarti, K & C, what have you, but I don't believe the distinction is valid.

 

[IXEC]

Quote Mitch....I find it strange that you cannot critique a product on here without causing offence to some as its seen as an attack on the person running the company.


Strange......it should be...but not on here


Quote Mitch...This site I thought was all about opinion and critique when necessary as well as praise for the products in the hobby. some deserve critique and some not as much but, everyone is or should be allowed to say their opinion freely.


A noble thought.....should it apply to everyone....

 

[Mitch]

IXEC...

If you are asking me directly then yes it should
Mitch

Quote Mitch....I find it strange that you cannot critique a product on here without causing offence to some as its seen as an attack on the person running the company.


Strange......it should be...but not on here


Quote Mitch...This site I thought was all about opinion and critique when necessary as well as praise for the products in the hobby. some deserve critique and some not as much but, everyone is or should be allowed to say their opinion freely.


A noble thought.....should it apply to everyone....

 

[IXEC]

IXEC...

If you are asking me directly then yes it should
Mitch

Mitch....your quotes make the point and I agree with you

 

[Warrior]

Ok, so my assumption is no explanation is forthcoming re the whole "one two cha cha cha, left right, left right, you put your left foot in, you put your left foot out" analogy.

How about if someone locks this thread down and we move on..................

 

[uksubs]

Ok, so my assumption is no explanation is forthcoming re the whole "one two cha cha cha, left right, left right, you put your left foot in, you put your left foot out" analogy.

How about if someone locks this thread down and we move on..................

Why do we need to lock the thread down

 

[Mitch]

Warrior...

I think I am with uksubs here why close the thread down? There is still regardless of IXEC not answering the question mileage in this thread for those who wish to discuss the original post
Mitch

Why do we need to lock the thread down

 

[Phantom Warrior]

Opinions and critiques - Yes. Soap boxes, fairy tales and meaningless phrases - No

Terry

 

[Spitfrnd]

Opinions and critiques - Yes. Soap boxes, fairy tales and meaningless phrases - No

Terry

Wait, are you saying we should eliminate most of the posts here? Seriously though while I agree that it would be nice if some folks were less stringloaded to the confrontational mode, or inclined to provoke it, any forum has lots of meaningful and not so meaningful chatter. As long as it is polite, it matters not to me how much we have of each.

 

[Warrior]

Why do we need to lock the thread down

Great; let's keep it going then.

You said you're not buying anymore 1/30th scale tanks because in your opinion, they are overpriced and the detail is not good and you get a lot more for your money from 1/18th scale tanks.

As Wayne asked, do you mean all 1/30th scale or just K & C?

Are you also including Figarti, Collectors Showcase, First Legion in the mix or is it just K & C you are unhappy with.

200.00 pounds? That's 350.00 US; in this country, the same tank is only 225.00 US or 150.00 pounds, quite a massive price difference. Would you be happier if you had to pay only 150.00 pounds for the same tank?

Perhaps you should not be angry at the manufacturers, but your government for jamming you and K & C Uk and all other importers with VAT and 9,000 other taxes.


Oh and comparing K & C to FOV is apples to hand grenades by the way; how can you compare a resin tank to a plastic and metal diecast tank, but there you go..............